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STOP LAZLO NOW!!!!! EMERGENCY POST *MUST READ*

 
MySonIsMis

I dont know if everyone heard what is going on behind closed doors, but DominateGame may soon change as we know it. Behind closed doors, LAZLO is trying to PURCHASE DOMINATEGAME. No big deal right? WRONG. Once he purchases it he is going into full right-wing-republican-capitalist mode. To quote him "Of course, if I were to get control of the site I would likely make a few changes"

The first thing he wants to do? According to a document I obtained, END FREE PLAYING. After "30 or 60 days" he will REQUIRE paid membership. I kid you not, this is 100% serious, you can ask Lazlo yourself if this is true. He is trying to ruin the game.

Further more, he wants to hire specialists to keep constantly the program for "enhancements". Sounds cool at first, right? WRONG. The game is very basic. Lazlo's meddling will have so many twists and upgrades in a year or two you wont even recognize the game, it will be over the top. And he will charge for EVERYTHING.



Lazlo wants to pave paradise and put up a parking lot. He wants to tear down your favorite main street hang out and build a WAL MART. Thats the type of guy he is!

All free players must UNIONIZE AND UNITE against Lazlo's evil attempts to privatize and make this game for-profit for-him. This is like when Bechtel and Suez tried to privatize Bolivia's water resources. The people revolted, and so must we. Im starting a campaign called "Fuck Lazlo, Free DominateGame!". Please let me know if you are in

 
WapJap_007

And what do you suggest we do? Boycot the game? There is no serious alternative. Plus datatraffic isn't free. But it would be a real disappointment if we can't play for free :(

 
MySonIsMis

There is a lot we can to stop Lazlo. First we must organize and spread the word. He is apart of the radical neoconservative American agenda. He despises anything that is free, whether its food, water, healthcare or dominategame. Everything must be for profit, in their minds, anything else is communism.

Here is my agenda for stopping Lazlo:

1. Organize ourselves into a small union of anti-Lazlo-agenda activists.

2. Spread the word about Lazlo's Evil Agenda and grow as a movement, going to different forums and striking up a convo in every chat we have

3. Petition Emiel and express our concern in a letter signed by everyone.


Then we can only hope. But we have the power. Power to the people.

 
WapJap_007

Dude, you should get out more..

Anyway, it's obvious Emiel has no concern with Dominate anymore as we can experience right at this very moment (server down). Therefore, it has no use to sign a petition and give it to Emiel.

Furtermore, there even seems to be a growing group of people supporting Lazlo's ideas. There are people angry with Emiel, because they have paid but are now waiting for the server to wake up again and they are glad someone is willing to invest into 100% server uptime. But most of all, isn't it normal to pay for something?

 
MySonIsMis

Pay? Pay? We all PAY in a way. If you are not american I suspect that you have national healthcare, like most countries. Here in the USA we dont, we have to pay massive costs for it, which is why we are dying.

But you might say "I pay for it with my taxes". Yes, you do! And as an American my taxes went into the research and development of the internet, which built the world wide web we use right now. It also went into high technology which allowed for the development of things like DominateGame. And my government spends half a trillion dollars a year on its military so it can do things like lead NATO, protecting Holland (where dominategame is based) from external threats. So to sum:

1. I paid for the creation of the internet
2. I paid for the technology that created dominategame
3. I pay for the protection of dominategame(in Holland) from invading armies!

And now Im expected to pay to play?!!? Son you must be working at ExxonMobile or something. Lazlo MUST be stopped!

 
WapJap_007

Don't talk to me about paying the taxes, cause yes, I'm from Holland. Anyway, reality check: you're mixing up to things: the government and commercial business. You'll understand Emiel is not receiving any money from the tax payers. He's exploiting a commercial business. You can't expect food to be free because you pay taxes for the ground the food grows on.

But if your so serious about it, the best plan I can think of is if we all together bought the game rights and keep it free. This way, it's a small investment per person, and everybody's happy.



 
dumtowel

If it meant that I could actually play a game, then sure Lazlo can buy it. I don't mind paying for something I enjoy...



 
iron

forcing everyone to pay will not work. it will
force some of us into paying but lots will leave the site and will be very few of us left
making it even harder to find good games.
the way to make people pay might be to only let them have 1 name if they dont pay. and give those who pay more maybe have some competitions for money rewards for members only
and maybe a few good radio station links directly on the game would be a good idea
there is alot of things that would make people pay but forcing will not work



 
dumtowel

He could lower the prices also, you know. Say ten dollars for six months. If it would allow for a webmaster that took care of the site, then I am up for it.



 
iron

emiel if u are selling this site send me a pm of how much you want for it. i may be interested depending on cost ect send pm to 2sexy if u do because my email's on other names dont exsist.



 
iron

even lowering the cost wont work if its forced
you need to make more appeal to get people to pay. the hard core players will play but others would leave and we would end up with 50 players online at a time



 
iron

adding a chat to the site so we could talk when this server is down should be done to
how many days we been down now?

 
MySonIsMis

I WILL NOT TOLERATE A PAY ONLY GAME.



Therefore, I have decided to enter myself into the bidding war. I am worth a lot of money, and I will spend what I need to. Those who stand in my way, watch out. I have already complied an Enemys List (LAZLO) and I will add anyone who tries to get in a bidding war with me. I will win, no matter what. But if you attempt to throw yourself into the bidding, you will be put on my Enemys List and permanently BANNED from DominateGame as soon as the papers are signed and it becomes mine.

 
WapJap_007

Let me first say that I'm glad your joining up the bidding list. I wanted to suggest it to you, but since you expressed your feelings about having to pay for things, i didn't have the nerve.

Anyway, good luck, i hope you will be able to keep the game free. If you like some help or advice on ideas how to keep the game running without bothering the players in an active way, you are always welcome for a free advice.

 
brolin

Put me on your enemy-list, clown.

 
MySonIsMis

you've been on it for years you little bitch

 
brolin

Calm down proven liar.

 
MySonIsMis

poor baby gettin scared. YOU SHOULD BE

 
Spir-An

WapJap don't take any notice of him, he's taking the piss. BTW you said "There is no serious alternative" - well there is at least one: http://sillysoft.net/lux/

And maybe more: there was a list of a lot on Wikipedia, but I notice the editors have been busy deleting lots of external links. Try this old copy: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Risk_%28game%29&oldid=81362478

 
tamachan

compulsory charging would get rid of wankers pretending to have sons missing so im all for it :D

 
Lazlo

First of all, I've never heard anything back from Emiel so this is all just mindless speculation.

Second, he may want much more than I'd be willing to pay to buy the site. IF he was even willing to sell it, which I doubt.

Third, my interest is in making the site more robust and reliable. I have business associates in the Netherlands and would continue hosting the site there as it is now with a redundant mirrored server here in the US to reduce outages.

Fourth, I'd advocate for a two-tiered system whereby paid memberships had a number of exclusive features (enhanced game options, sanctioned team events, annual tournaments, etc). And free memberships that expired after a set period of time (60 days?), thus requiring the user to start over with a new nick and 1500 score.


But again, this is all mere speculation as of now so don't get too riled up.

 
tamachan

Lazlo ill only pay if you put some token McDonalds advertisements on it. If you could get that company that makes those fucking awful oreo biscuits to come on board id be even willing to pay more. Im a sado-masichist for that sort of shit :D

 
Oldman

Ok i hardly play here anymore but i played enough to know the reason why he cant get rid of free players . The members need people to play against . People from all around the world log in and join games , all at different times of the day . Membership would go down .Remember the Q that was an idiotic idea .

I hardly doubt lazlo is buying this site . He isn`t google . There is no massive profit here . And Emeil could just make another one .Or is lazlo going to put the can`t operate another game like this one clause.Those are costly :)

So....... Relax

 
Lazlo

Tam, I was thinking more along the lines of Tui Beer! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe47PWpQoks

 
Oldman

Not saying lazlo couldn`t operate this site better then emeil though .

I think the person who started this thread is losing it ,on drugs(over the counter ),or La Mike trying to be funny .

 
tamachan

Nice work old chap :D



Lazlo in between tournament games you could hire some skanky dirty bitches with good tits to appear via webcam for a nominal fee holding up placards like in they do at the boxing. Also the cards issued to players on conquering a country could have different bitches on them. Some nice nude chicks riding bare arsed on the horse card would certainly be an improvement :D



 
Koekielove

what made u all think emiel would sell this place?

 
Spir-An

LOL, we don't know he will koek, we just think he might - and given the lack of service recently we wish he would!

 
Lazlo

Koek, only MySonIsMis suffers from that misconception. I think he's stirring this up because his rating got hammered down to 1392 and he needed to vent his frustration.

Back in May I expressed an interest, and am still interested, but I agree that Emiel is unlikely to sell it. That's why I said, "IF he was even willing to sell it, which I doubt.

At this point the entire topic is nothing but hot air as far as I'm concerned.

 
WapJap_007

Well, i think everyone agrees something has to happen, since the game seems to be falling apart. And when it comes to Emiel, i can imagine he does want to sell, since he's occupied with other business. Plus he doesn't seem to give a shit about resetting the server. He makes good money selling the place and gets rid of a lot of IT trouble..

 
Iron_Chef

I loved the original post of how Lazlo was wanting to purchase this game and some tard was trying to turn it into something political. No wonder the world is going to shit, people constantly complaining everytime they might actually have to pay for something. What a whiny bitch loser.

 
Spir-An

Sure he is making good money off it WapJap, the point is people are paying for it (not me admittedly) and they're getting this (lack of) service. How much downtime would be acceptable? On other websites the sysops tackle downtime ASAP for fear of losing custom, Emiel clearly isn't bovvered. My heart bleeds for all the poor paying members.

 
WapJap_007

I agree, but lets keep in mind we all still haven't heard from Emiel. Maybe he is willing to sell, maybe not..

 
MySonIsMis

I dont know how you can all sit there on your computers writing such hurtful things about me. I am a human being for crying out loud. Your words carry strong weight with me. Its not easy coming on here and reading this stuff, guys. Its really not easy. I hope that none of you has to ever go through this.

 
Iron_Chef

Then show some common sense. This site like any other typically costs money to run. If Emiel no longer sees this as something financially viable then he has every right to sell this site to whomever he wants. If you do not want to pay to play this game then go find another game to play, but no one, and I mean no one owes you the right to play this game for free.

 
MySonIsMis

were you purposely trying to look like a jackass in that photo

 
WapJap_007

Hey hey, we're not going to get personal on this thread! Certainly not if you're anonymous yourself!

 
MySonIsMis

im not annoynmous, i had a photo up myself i can put it back up. but i didnt know if he was trying to seriously look like a jackass in that photo. i mean look at it. He is leaning against a mantle with his elbow over it and his other hand on his hip? You dont think that looks.... um... you know...?

 
Spir-An

Let's see your photo then MySonIsMisOhNoHesTurnedUp!

 
MySonIsMis

i posted my photo in the album just now. i dont know how to post it anywhere else. i will post it here if someone tells me how

 
Spir-An

No it just takes a while for the admins to get round to assessing your photo.

 
Aerobabe

His photo was refused...

Photo album rules:
1. Only real photo's of yourself are allowed.
2. Only recent photo's.
3. No avatars.
4. No manipulated photo's.
5. No offensive pictures.

 
Spir-An

So what was it, MyPhotoIsMis? :) Did you have your knob out? Was it of you as a baby? Or Brad Pitt with your name on it?

 
MySonIsMis

I DIDNT VIOLATE ANY OF THOSE RULES

 
Iron_Chef

This tard is classic, whining that he/she has feelings and they get hurt easily but then dishes out his/her own crap. Trust me, I have taken a lot more creative abuce then you could ever dream of coming up with on your own and I don't go make whiny posts about my feelings getting hurt. If you are too sensitive to what will get posted about you on the web then I suggest unplugging your computer now, if not, then






















































[b]SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!![/b[

 
MySonIsMis

I bet you are a Republican, arnt you?



by the way your html failed.



 
dumtowel

By the way, you did not spell the conraction "aren't" correctly. In formal english contractions should never be used.

 
MySonIsMis

contraction, not "conraction". Isnt that right... I mean, Isn't that right?


Son I was home schooled on a farm during the dust bowl before I went off to the Pacific Theater to defend freedom. So if I aint speaking correctly, I think I've earned that right. You are welcome



 
dumtowel

Obviously you didn't pick up on the subtle humor of my post.

I don't owe you shit. If anything you owe me for continuing to pay for social security.

In any case I doubt you are a war veteran, but if that is what you want to believe then go for it. I won't stop you.

 
Lazlo

Son I was home schooled on a farm...

That's the first thing you've posted that I might believe.

 
MySonIsMis

You ungrateful little shit. I owe you? My generation liberated Europe and Asia, pulled this country out of the depression, and created the largest middle class ever, and I owe you? Now you are of age and your government is sitting there robbing you of your social security while you sick on your fat ass jacking off and playing dominate game.

I fought in the second world war, and yet you some how think you are entitled to the luxuries that I FOUGHT to give you?

Son, we use words like honor, code, loyalty... we use those words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blank of the very freedom I provided, then questions the manner in which I provided it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.

 
Iron_Chef

Hahaha,

Thanks for using the copy/paste function to post a movie quote from "A Few Good Men", and seriously, you really expect us to believe that you are some WW 2 War vet, sorry, but people in your so called generation would never whine about a Free Internet Game.

 
potass

True... but that pose is a bit gay. Own it.

 
potass

Of course, I'm just a peace of Euro-trash, what do I know about gays.... WAIT!!!!



 
dumtowel

Just another attention whore.

Even if you were somehow a war vet I could hardly believe you would spend your time here on an internet site. A nursing home is more likely, but not here.

Also, how could I ever respect an individual that throws such bullshit in my face? Get a life dude.

 
Spir-An

MyCredibilityIsMis, I'm certainly intrigued about someone who is supposed to be so old he fought in WW2, but had a son who he was worried about going missing. It's possible, of course, but you'd have to be a pretty old father, and it would be unusual.

BTW,

you sick on your fat ass

- ugh.

 
MySonIsMis

Im not sure what the end of that last post means.

Thanks for the questions guys Ill answer them here:

1. If Im a WWII vet why do I have an underage son?
I had been living alone in the mid 1980's, depressed and an alcoholic. So I adopted some children to keep me company. I love them very much.

2. Shouldnt I be in a nursing home not playing dominate game?
No. The key to staying sharp at my age is A. Keeping active physically and B. Keeping active mentally. I go walking everyday, and I play Dominategame or cards everyday. I also keep a job even though Im on pension and social security, I keep the job to keep active!

3. Does Iron_Chef look gay in that photo?
Yes. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 
Iron_Chef

Hmm, gay, well I do have two kids that I actually did create. I did not have to go adopt a few in order to satisfy my drunken pedophilic cravings during my manic depressive 80's stint.

 
Lazlo

The phallic map in the background isn't helping your cause. Nothing personal.

 
WapJap_007

WW2 vets and gay people with phallic maps, I'm getting a pretty good picture of the people playing Dominate. I think I'm gonna find another game to play..

No, this thread is going nowhere like this! MySonIsMis end the discussion by putting a picture online of you playing dominate in a nursing home were we all can see you have reached a pension age. Iron_Chef, change your picture into something more 'un-gay'.

Lazlo, how about your efforts to contact Emiel?



 
buzzrip

To Lazlo, or anyone else who wants to purchase this game and charge for it, and make it more reliable and economically viable: more power to you! I already pay the annual price and am very dissapointed in the site's performance and lack of improvements.

To MySonIsMis: If you are who you say are, thanks for your service to the USA in WWII. Posting an appropriate photo would go a long way toward establishing your credibility and believability. I find your "give it to me free" movement insane, however.

To Lazlo: That phallic map is FLORIDA, dork! :) We didn't make Florida, we just took it from Spain!

 
Iron_Chef

Nice Halibut, btw.

 
Lazlo

@WapJap_007: No reply from Emiel as of this morning. I notice he posted in the Algemene Discussie forum on the 17th, so he's still alive.

@buzzrip: lol, I realize it's Florida. Not that there's anything wrong with that!

 
MySonIsMis

Florida IS phallic. What heterosexual man leans against a mantle with one hand on his hip and the other casually leaning into a penis-shaped state, takes a picture of it, then puts it up online?

Isnt Congressman Foley from Florida...?

 
Iron_Chef

Did you fall of the wagon again today?

 
tamachan

Iron, Did you mean Helluvabutt? Gayman :)

Seriously i dont think he fell off the wagon but more like he got picked up by the green cart :)

Whats with you yanks and war service anyway? I know this guy is having a laugh but seriously ive heard this shit for real in the US and theres nothing worse than vets wearing their navy caps after retirement. You never see or hear this shit in Britain and Australia.

 
MySonIsMis

There isnt a single town or village in England that doesnt have a memorial to soldiers killed in the Great War. Perhaps you dont wear your military service on your shoulders now, but when the world was governed by Pax Britannica, you can bet they did. We didnt start the Second World War, but when it came to us, we fought, and won.

Kids these days, they dont know what a real war is. They go out and support this damned illegal immoral war against the people of Iraq and Palestine... for shame. I shudder for my country when I realize God is just.


Iron_Chef: I've been sober for fifteen years, four months, 11 days. I'm sorry for saying you look gay in that picture. Not because I don't think you look gay, I do, I think everyone does. But there's nothing wrong with being gay and it was wrong of me to use it as a pejorative.

 
Spir-An

Hmmm, if Florida is phallic it's also flaccid. Compare with e.g. New Hampshire.

Just for the record, I don't think Chef looks gay in that picture. :) I think he's just trying to look good for the camera. I'm sure a gay man would have a fancier shirt for instance.

And tam, we do hear about war service in Britain. And sometimes it's deserved. Only today I was listening to descriptions of what it was like for Merchant Navy sailors braving U-boats trying to ship goods to and from the Soviet Union, America etc. They had at least as many losses as the Royal Navy but have never had recognition.

 
tamachan

Of course you hear about it but you dont get the dickheads like you do in the US. Just because they werent smart enough to get a real job and was a private in the marines that everyone should take what they have to say on ANY topic or issue with more than the usual grain of salt. What Kerry did dragging his navy mates with him was appalling and calling Bush a wimp for only being in the reserves basically just shows how fickle and stupid the US electorate really is. You dont see Aussie or Brit pollies or citezins going on like this ever.

 
Infiltratr

Poor performance by the owner of the game/upkeep of the server etc. is why I stopped paying a membership and stopped playing the game. Might think about coming back if that were to ever change........

 
WapJap_007

@Lazlo. Weird to see he is active, but not replying on the selling issue. Anyway, he suggests people should call him if the site is down. Maybe you should do the same to inform him of your interest in purchasing the place.

 
WapJap_007

Did everyone die or something? What's up with the sudden radio silence?

 
Spir-An

What is there to say?

 
WapJap_007

:) Lazlo could say he called Emiel and he purchased the game rights or something...

I don't know, it was such an active topic, but everyone just seemed to shut up all at once.

 
TeamAmeric

Im conducting a poll:

MySonIsMissing is really a ....... ?

A. A recovering alcoholic, WWII veteran, with 33 adopted children and a job.

B. Harvard dropout who moved back to his farm in Whales, only to find out all of his sheep had died from plague. Now spends all day trying to buy sheep and dominategame.

C. 12 year old homosexual British boy looking to find his place in this world.



Im voting C.

 
Spir-An

Where is Whales?

 
WapJap_007

I'd say somewhere in Scotland. But my guess is as good as yours.

I vote A.

 
tamachan

They are sometimes found in ones bed after a big night out on the booze Spir :D



 
buzzrip

Thanks, Iron Chef -- it took me about 30 minutes to steal that halibut from the Canadian people! hee hee

 
Iompetoni2

it`s not that hard to make a new game we just lose the name of the game.

 
MySonIsMis

I think he means "Wales" not "Whales".

I am a recovering alcoholic and WW2 vet but I have neither 33 adopted children nor a "job".

I have two biological children, four adopted children, four grandchildren and one great-grand child.

I am a retired Foreign Service Officer and I had a brief stint working at a local store in the 1990's. Now I am retired and collect pension.

I have been to England, but never Wales. I did not go to Harvard, I dont like their campus. I went to Syracuse.



 
Koekielove

Isnt it time u take another name..... or do u want to keep reminding urself of those horrible time when ur son were missing?

 
MySonIsMis

If i changed my name now, nobody would know who I am. Yes, it was horrible when I thought my son was missing. I was scared and alone. But the people of dominategame helped me, and thats how I first learned to love this game. Its like a metaphor for my life.... I wear this name, and its scars, with a badge of honor.



 
dumtowel

And a red letter 'A' on your bossom, but it doesn't stand for adultress. It really means asshole.

 
Spir-An

I'm sure he did mean "Wales" not "Whales", but I wanted him to admit that!

 
Lazlo

I believe the nick HeadUpAss is available. You could change to that and there'd be no mistake who you are.

 
tamachan

I reckon 'Muffdiver' would be a good nick but i couldnt be fucked changing mine :D

 
MySonIsMis

It still shockss me how mean and rude some of these posts are. How can we be so malicious and so inappropriate? I know we all have differences, many differences, but cannot we treat eachother with mutual respect?

Let us not be blind to our differences, but let us also direct attention to our common interests and the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity. For in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's futures. And we are all mortal.

 
Spir-An

Running for Congress, MyCoverStoryIsMis? :)

 
WapJap_007

Sometimes i think MySonIsMis is just a qoute-producing-machine. But i have to agree, some of these posts are a bit rude. Maybe somebody wants to explain why MySon is treated like this?

 
potass

Because he obviously is a Fucktard..?

 
MySonIsMis

Maybe it's because I'm old, I know that. And maybe its because I seem a little "square" to you guys. But I'm not all that different.

I want to be your friend.

 
Oldman

How old is his missing son for god sakes ? 60

rotflofl

Doing some simple math tells me mysonsalmostinanursinghomeaswell

 
potass

Yeah, stop it now Charleen.

 
Spir-An

It's because he's a fraud. A bullshitter. He's Chief Shitting Bull of the Sosiouxmi tribe.

 
WapJap_007

I still haven't heard any examples or arguments. Why is MySonIsMis a fraud?

 
tamachan

Does the US military have bases in Finland? Im confused now :S

 
tamachan

Spir here's a story about that tribe actually :D

Two british guys were caught fishing in northern finland on tribal land and were tied to a totem post for interrogation and sentencing. Chief Pelapotassami the head of the village after convicting them of trespass gave the two men the choice of punishment for their misdeeds. The first option was 'fatunga' and the second was 'death'! After hearing the two options the 2 nervous brits were shaking and the first opted for the 'fatunga' as punishment. After announcing his choice to the chief the chief summons the villagers and suddenly the whole village starts fucking the poor guy up the arse to the absolute shock of the other brit. This bumfucking went on for 3 hours and came to a stop with the brit looking all but dead and in a mess. After seeing this the second brit opted for death when chief Pelapotassami made this announcement soon after.

" Let it be known that the convicted has opted for death! And death it shall be! Death! Death by FATUNGA! "

Dirty pricks up there i'll tell ya :D

 
MySonIsMis

The US has no military bases in Finland

As to examples of how/why I am a fraud, you are right, there are no examples, just ad hominem attacks.

At first I considered responding to this, wondering why these people were attacking me. I thought, perhaps it was because I showed weakeness and they preyed on that.

Then I realized, most of the people who are attacking me are, to be frank, losers.

They probably have no job or friends. They may be overweight and effeminiate, like iron_chef. They get no pleasure from people in the real world, whether love or friendship. They lack any coherent social skills. And so they come on here and attack people like me.

It makes them feel strong and powerful, compensating what they lack in the real world. And in doing so as a unit it makes them apart of something, with "friends" that share a common interest, again something they lack in the real world.

Most independent observers will concur with me, Im sure the reaction from the usual suspects will be to scoff, reply with laughter, denials and more ad hominem attacks. But I think I hit the nail on the head, as they say. That is why I have decided to let it go, I pray for you guys

 
Spir-An

WapJap here is the evidence: http://www.dominategame.com/website.php?page=discussion&id=491

MySonIsFake, you are quite right about me in most respects. I have no job or friends, am overweight, get very little pleasure from people in the real world, whether love or friendship, lack coherent social skills, and come on here and attack people like you. But I am only a loser in teo out of three games! :D And you're still a fraud!



 
dumtowel

You sure nailed that one you old dog you!

The only thing more pathetic than my 'attacking you,' my lack of social skills, or even my obesity is that you came onto dominategame to cry about a missing son to people who don't really give a shit. Just thought I'd point that out.

 
WapJap_007

I agree that this attacking is a compensational behavior and for that matter, I think this forum isn't moderated enough (but I guess that has something to do with Emiels lack of attention). But as to a missing son, I also have to agree the story isn't really thrustworthy. Maybe you can tell a little more about this, especially the part were you login on the same IP as you son's account, five minutes he logged out.

As long as that story isn't cleared out, you'll have to admit you're making it hard for us to believe you.

 
Oldman

Spin an that was a real thread kiler you posted there. :)

 
Spir-An

Hehehehe



 
JonnyDrama





 
JonnyDrama

spir_an, thanks for the link. And I'm (cough, cough) wholly i agreement with dumtowel about paying for the game. If anyone could tell me why Emiel or anyone else somehow has the *duty* to provide a free internet game to a bunch of cheap stoners I'd love to hear it.

<lutzomat dsits back and waits for the inevitable tirade>

 
MySonIsMis

You'll never break me down!

I urge my fellow Americans today, Vote Democrat! These evil republicans are bent on destroying us and are only in office to serve the needs of the wealthy and private corporations; bent on destroying the rest of us!

 
Iron_Chef

I voted this morning at 7:45 AM

I voted straight Republican all the way down to the County Commissioners.

 
Lazlo

Glad to hear there are now some straight Republicans in Florida! I thought they all liked to chase teenage boys. lol

 
MySonIsMis

Can I just say that I called that one weeks ago? After observer what a jackass Iron_Chef was and looking at his assinine waspy looking photo with homoerotic tendancies, I outright called him on being a Republican. That was October 19th, scroll up for anyone who missed it.

 
Iron_Chef

You are a frigin moron, I have been on this forum for 3 years and everyone already knew what you so boldly had concluded. Grow the hell up for god's sakes.

 
Iron_Chef

Besides, if I was going to vote for the Dems I would go ahead and change my name to Mohammed, make my wife wear a Burqa, and start learn to ride a camel, because that is what will happen if they get their hands back on the country and regress to Billy Clinton's ways.

 
Lazlo

@MyDickIsLimp
What's wrong with voting Republican?
p.s. - SHUT THE FUCK UP!



@Iron_Chef
I'm curious to know what values or positions on the issues that you see as favorable in the Republicans?

 
tamachan

Thats the problem with the american electorate they will vote for who their daddies and grandfathers voted for and continue their allegience regardless of how they serve the peoples interests. It really wouldnt matter how the republican administration ran the country or operated themselves in the world Iron_chef would still vote for them blindly as he always has and blindly as he always will. It goes for the die-hard democrats too. Fucking sad isnt it that this is the reality of the worlds most powerful nation to have such a simple minded people electorate based mainly on an old ideology that isnt even relevant today.

There wouldnt be a thing Bush could do that would stop you voting republican Iron-chef. Be honest man its the truth!

 
Iron_Chef

Tamachan,

MORON, my father was a pot smoking hippy who though Nixon was the devil. So I just blasted your little theory straight back to your garbage of an island continent, thankyou for playing.


Lazlo,

The bottom line for me is that the Democrats are going to surrender in Iraq if they gain control and chalk up another war in the loss column if they succeed. Clinton in the 90's castrated the armed forces and left us impotent to wage war on two fronts which is about to become reality. One war against Muslim fascism and the other against North Korea. Another point is that while September 11th occurred after Bush took office the planning and training of the even took place while under Clinton's watch and since Bush has empowered the Federal Government to take action to protect American civillians we have yet even come close to another strike. So on this day, November 7th, 2006, I vote for the party of defense, I vote for the party that empowers its citizens, I vote for the party of Lincoln, I vote Republican.

Plus it is fun to stick it back at the Euro-Aussie-Cannuck hippy trash that wishes they had the power to vote here......

 
Iron_Chef

Ohh and there is one thing that would have stopped me from voting for Bush, sticking a cigar up some intern's pussy in the Oval Office.

 
Iron_Chef

When you go to the polls today to cast your vote, just ask yourself one question, "Who would the terrorists vote for?"

I voted the opposite.

 
Lazlo

sorry, Iron_Chef but elections in Seattle are by mail-in ballots only. I voted last week.
I did vote for a few Republicans, but also voted for some Dems, and two Libertarians.

I share your view that previous administrations helped create the mess that we find ourselves in now. But I guess I spread the blame to both the Dems and Republicans (who propped up Saddam in the first place?). American foreign policy has been a total fuck up ever since WWII.

The Republican party abandoned the principles of Lincoln a long time ago. And that's very sad. Eisenhower warned against it but no one listened.

"Who would the terrorists vote for?" Probably Bush and company since he does such a grand job of playing into their hands. But frankly, I'm more concerned with valid issues such as economic policy, globalization, environment, and health care. This nonsense about 'terrorism' is an overblown waste of time and resources. I say ignore it altogether.

 
Iron_Chef

I cannot ignore people who are brought up at birth, taught, and trained to kill me because of where I live.

 
Iron_Chef

and Lazlo, one more thing, congrats for voting, it feels good regardless of whom one supports to be a part of the process.

 
Lazlo

"I cannot ignore people who are brought up at birth, taught, and trained to kill me because of where I live."

Exactly how many people in Florida were killed this year by 'terrorists'? 10,000? 20,000? I wasn't aware that it was such a big problem down there. Must be significantly more than were killed by drunk drivers or illegal handguns for this to rise to your #1 most important issue to vote on.

"and Lazlo, one more thing, congrats for voting, it feels good regardless of whom one supports to be a part of the process."

Agreed!! And same to you. It's a serious responsibility and should be treated as such.

 
ovechkin

Republicans uphold liberty as much as the democrats, but take a moment to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp9XkmWOsgQ&mode=related&search=

The Republicans have been hijacked by the neo-con trojan horse...

 
tamachan

HAHA Iron-chef we have the third highest standard of living in the world not bad for a garbage island and free-health care and our university degrees are only 10% of the price of yours. You sold out to the republicans and their 'great' economic policies but thats ok if you have wealth bugger the rest of the people. We also have the highest level of home ownership in the world by a country mile. Not a bad set-up in comparison to the shite ive seen 1st hand your fellow americans have to put up with in the 'land of the free' or should i say 'nothing's free' :D Keep paying taxes and let the bastards give you nothing back. You even took time out from screwing ya sister to do it too. Good to be part of the process isnt it mate :D

PS- I bet you buy stick books of Bush you dirty bastard.

 
Iron_Chef

I already PNW'd you Tamachan, you are nothing more then a liberal fucktard.

 
Iron_Chef

and one other thing asswipe, it is my constitutional right to vote for the candidate that I feel best represents me, that is what a republic is about, not about what candidate some ignorant fuck from halfway around the world wants to me to vote for. You are nothing better then the camel jockey wanting to fly into buildings.

 
Spir-An

Why did you vote for a mixture of parties, Lazlo? On what basis did you make the choice?

 
Lazlo

Spir, I vote based on my interpretation of how various candidates will approach issues that are critical at their particular level of government.

For example, I supported the democrat for county commissioner because he opposed bringing a NASCAR racetrack to our county. Nothing against NASCAR racing but our neck of the woods is not a good venue. The republican candidate was in full support of the NASCAR deal not because it was good for the community, but because his supporters are property developers that stand to reap a big windfall.

I voted for democrat Jay Inslee for US Congress because I agree with his views on energy and environement.

I voted for the libertarian Bruce Guthrie for US Senator because of his stance on the Iraq War, taxation, and immigrant/border issues.

At the state level I voted for Republican congressman and senators due to their unswerving opposition of a state income tax (Washington state is one of the few without a state income tax) and their aproach to land-use laws -- particularly wetlands and the state mandated growth management act.

On the local city council, I voted a mix of one dem and one republican for their positions on schools, parks, new police station, and the issue of live-aboards in our local harbor.

I try to ignore poliicians stances on issues where they have no practical impact. For instance I couldn't care less what my city council members think about Iraq or abortion and so on. They have no effect on those issues and I consider their expressed views mere posturing or pandering.

 
Lazlo

I should also disclose that my wife lives in Kansas (1800 miles away, don't ask) and we tend to vote together as an amalgam of our political views.

We agreed to vote against a repeal of an estate tax in Washington that applies only to estates in excess of $2,000,000 and is specifically targetted to benefit education. On principal I'm against any kind of estate/death tax but she talked me into it (and I was richly awared! lol).

We also agreed to vote against a tax increase in Kansas for building a $120,000,000 soccer field complex. It was positioned as being for the benefit of local youth but was in fact a build-out for the Kansas City Wizards to place a professional soccer stadium at the expense of the taxpayers.

 
Spir-An

OK, I thought it would be something like that. But I don't understand - it sounds like you voted for several Congressmen and Senators. Don't you just get one each?

And what is Bruce Guthrie's stance on immigrant/border issues?

 
Lazlo

Bruce Guthrie supports a strong border deterrant (i.e. fence, patrols, etc) but also a broader acceptance of legal immigrants than is currently the norm.

 
tamachan

Iron you tard id vote Bush over Kerry anyday of the week because at the moment the democrats are a fucking mess. Doesnt say much does it for the freedom of choice in a 2 party system. Youre abit of a fuckwit if you think the towelheads are are a threat to you. If i was an american id be fucken scared of YOU because youre the dick who wants to put perfectly good people into body bags in a foreign country in order to line the pockets of others. The republicans dont care about you they think youre an easy man to scare.

BOO !!!! There's an arab with a bomb behind ya.
























Dipshit!

 
Iron_Chef

Clean sweep for me, everyone I voted for won, and Lazlo I do not know how many Floridians were killed by terrorists, I do not live in Florida.

 
Iron_Chef

Now that nancy Pelosi is going to be Speaker of the House I might as well learn to speak Arabic and get some anal lube.

 
Oldman

Iron_Chef 2006 November 7, 17:50

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I cannot ignore people who are brought up at birth, taught, and trained to kill me because of where I live.
well i`m glad to see you have the smarts to figure out why the muslims might be a little pissed at you !!

 
Spir-An

So do you all get to vote for more than one Congressman and Senator at once? I know there are two Senators per state, so is everyone in a state voting for both, or is it split?

 
Lazlo

Spir,

There are two US Senators per state and they serve six year terms. The two from any state serve staggered terms so they are never both up for election the same year. Every two years there are one-third of the Senate seats up for grabs.

There are 435 seats in the US House of Representatives and they serve two year terms. All seats are up for grabs each two year election cycle. House seats are apportioned to states based on the last census. California has the most with 53, Washington state (where I live) has 9 seats, and seven states have one each. Within each state the seats are assigned to Congressional Districts and we only vote for the congressional race in our district.

Every state then has its own State Legislature with a Senate and House of Representatives (except Nebraska which is unicameral and only has a Senate). Every state is different but most will have districts for state senate and representatives and terms are 2 or 4 years.

So, every two years we may be voting for US Senator, US House, State Senator, and State House.

 
ovechkin

The word im getting from americans is that republican voters are voting democrat or not at all just to send out a message against current state of affairs. It looks like a phyrric victory for the democrats!

 
Spir-An

Hmm. So the Congressional Districts are a little like British constituencies - geographically based. But because of the federal structure of the country you have two levels of this, national and state level, whereas we just have Members of Parliament. And of course because you have no aristocracy your second chamber is also elected. :) But what are the different functions of the Congress and Senate? In the UK only the (elected) Commons proposes legislation, the Lords has to accept it but only gets to consider it after the Commons. (And since some impasses in the early 20th century there has been a rule that the Lords can't block the Commons indefinitely.)

 
Lazlo

Exactly. The entire state gets to vote for the US Senators, but for US House I'm in the 1st district (of 9), for Washington State Legislature I'm in the 23rd district (of 49). We vote for one State Senator and two State Representatives from each of the 49 state districts. Other states may have a slightly different configuration.

Terminology
The word "Congress" denotes both of the two legislative bodies at the federal level - the Senate and the House of Representatives. Members of the Senate are called Senators (obvious enough) but members of the House are called Congressman.
At the state level, the two assemblies are together called The Legislature, General Assembly, Legislative Assembly, and a few other names that escape me. All of the states have an upper and lower house (except Nebraska as mentioned earlier) and call one the Senate and the other might be House of Representatives, General Assembly, State Assembly, House of Delegates, and so on.

Function
The Senate and the House work much the same as your House of Commons and House of Lords.

HA! I was trying to remember some of the rules for introducing legislation and found this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

Could have sent that to you earlier and saved myself a lot of typing!

Check the section on Bills and Resolutions.

 
Iron_Chef

Spir_An 2006 November 8, 10:29

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So do you all get to vote for more than one Congressman and Senator at once? I know there are two Senators per state, so is everyone in a state voting for both, or is it split?


I had only one Representative to vote for and the Governor, then a bunch of minor State offices. Joe Bonner for US Congress, and Bob Riley for Governor.

 
Iron_Chef

Oldman 2006 November 8, 09:19

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Iron_Chef 2006 November 7, 17:50

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I cannot ignore people who are brought up at birth, taught, and trained to kill me because of where I live.
well i`m glad to see you have the smarts to figure out why the muslims might be a little pissed at you !!


The muslims are pissed that the Euros decided to gas all the Jews, so to make it up to the Jews, Euro and the US decided to give them a country without a good plan to do something with the people that already lived in the area where they were going to give to the Jews. So now the muslims are still pissed, because being muslim they need something to be pissed about in general, and since Euro would rather stick their head in the sand and do nothing, it fell to us, so now we are the single entity for their crutch.

 
Lazlo

Anyone know how to add a picture of a guy leaning against his fireplace to this wiki entry?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFvet%C3%A9

 
Iron_Chef

People on this site really still think that the folks that post their pics here will somehow be insultated with derogatory remarks by people too cowardly to post their's?

 
ovechkin

Blessed are the ignorant

 
Iron_Chef

sticks and stones....lol

This ignorant redneck still has a vote and it ain't gonna be applied to Hillary in '08.

 
ovechkin

Absolutely, chef. Clinton was the trojan horse of the democrats and that bitch wont work any fuckin miracles for the general public as well.

 
Spir-An

Iron_Chef 2006 November 8, 22:27

...the Euros decided to gas all the Jews...

Ah yeah... that may have happened. Don't blame me, I was on the toilet during that meeting.

 
Iron_Chef

I don't blame you Spir, aren't you English anyhow, that hardly makes you a Euro.....

 
Lazlo

I assumed you had a map of Florida above your fireplace because you lived there and not just because it's shaped like a large phallus.

I stand corrected.

 
Iron_Chef

It also includes the coastlines of Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, and even a little bit of Georgia. I cannot help it that my coastline is only about 70 miles wide.

 
Spir-An

Yes Chef, I am English, but to me that doesn't mean I'm not a European. Britain is incontrovertibly in Europe, albeit as an island. I know there are lots of British people who proudly insist they are not Europeans, that's because of cultural separation and cannot affect the geographical facts. By "Euros" you mean what British people call "Continentals". :)

And my point was... an awful lot of Europeans didn't decide to gas all the Jews... just about a majority in fact. One or two were decidedly against the idea.

 
Iron_Chef

I know that Spir but my point was that the Holocaust was not just a German atrocity but a European one, it could have never happened without a fundemental sense of anti-semitism that was prevalent in that era in Europe. So to satisfy their own guilt they created Israel without any thought or ramifications of their actions towards the Palestinians and the deep animosity and anger that would continously rear its head even 60 years later.

 
Spir-An

Well there was certainly anti-Semitism in many of the countries around Germany, as well as in Germany itself, and there were people of those countries involved in the Holocaust (e.g. Lithuanian and Ukrainian camp guards, collaborators in occupied countries who denounced Jews or helped with the rounding-up, etc.) I read in a biography of Hitler (by Sebastian Haffner) that his anti-Semitism was more typical of eastern Austria in its imperial phase, as part of Eastern Europe, than it was of Germany, which had by and large emancipated and integrated its Jews like European countries further west (Britain and France).

There *was* a general anti-Semitism around, in the same way there is a general anti-Muslimism or anti-immigrantism around now, and it evaporated after the end of the WW2 and the revelation of the Holocaust. And it was probably a contributory factor in how come the Holocaust happened, altho only indirectly and the vast majority of such people would never have thought in terms of genocide and were as horrified by it as everyone else (that's why they changed their attitudes). Nevertheless the actual direct responsibility for it was down to comparatively few individuals. Of course this doesn't mean the German population didn't generally know it was going on: many have since protested "We had no idea", but it doesn't add up when you consider what was required. Most would not have known the details, but they would have heard rumours and put two and two together.

The other point is... Europeans didn't create Israel, Jews did it themselves. In fact of all other countries it's the UK and US that are largely to blame for its creation and early success. Britain issued the Balfour Declaration that favoured Jewish immigration to Palestine after the WW1, then allowed that, then stopped it after the Arab revolt of the 1930s, forcing away ships of refugees who then died in the Holocaust, causing Palestinian Jews to start terrorism against British officers, then cut and run like cowards with a hot potato in 1947 when they decided it had all got too much for them, with no sense of responsibility. The Truman administration, under influence from the American Zionist lobby, immediately recognised Israel and supported its admission to the UN, despite its breaking several UN rules, and arm-twisted lots of other governments (Latin American ones I think) into doing the same.

 
tamachan

Iron it was around 20 years before black fellas were allowed to sit on the front of one of your american buses in their own country man. You guys have nothing to be proud of in these regards. Israel was created with Jewish-American money mainly and it was only possible because YOU GUYS sold arms to them. Israel is the only country in the world that can buy US weapons that arent in the dinosaur era. Fuck even the Brits dont have Apache helicopters! And then you say the Euros created it you spindoctor!

Fact of the matter is that the Jews themselves decided where they wanted to live and were offered lands in other parts of the world. Manchuria is one of them that is well documented and the Jews that were in the diaspora in Shanghai were also offered several islands in Melanesia that was rejected by the big business community in the US. Ill do some googling to find out exactly but i do know this for a fact because ive frequented where they used to stay in Shanghai. A Japanese diplomat issued 100 000 visas against policy to save these jews and was forced to live in exile where he died. Fascinating guy BTW.

 
Spir-An

Lazlo: I've read a lot of that WP page on the Congress, here are my thoughts:

1) There are some differences between the American bicameral system and the British one (besides those already mentioned, like (un)electedness). Apparently the Senate is able to introduce bills like the House, except for taxes. The House of Lords has no legislation-proposing power at all.

2) I understand the reason behind having the two houses of Congress - population balanced against regions - but why allow both of them roughly the same powers?

3) DC and the 'territories' don't get voting rights in the House, and aren't even present in the Senate. Fair? How do these places get the power to influence federal government over them?

4) I find Nebraska's exception to state bicamerality intriguing. Evidently it is not federal law or constitutional rule that each state have two chambers, and the reason why most do must be that they are copying Congress. On its page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebraska_Legislature it says "George Norris campaigned for reform, arguing that the bicameral system was based on the inherently undemocratic British House of Lords, and that it was pointless to have two bodies of people doing the same thing and hence wasted money." If this argument was influential in Nebraska, how come it didn't spread elsewhere? On the page you linked to it said "the House of Representatives to provide representation proportional by population, whereas the Senate would provide equal representation by states", which has nothing to do with the British Houses of Commons and Lords. How is the Nebraskan exception viewed elsewhere - as some kind of backward prairieland eccentricity?

If I had any other points I've forgotten them. I must say it's all very confusing. Rereading I notice Chef mentioned the Governor, that's yet another office-holder whose powers have to be separated from all the rest. It seems to me there is a kind of scale of job importance:

City Councillor
County Commissioner
State Congressman (Representative) - except in Nebraska!
State Senator
US Congressman (Representative)
US Senator
Governor
President

The federal structure kind of complicates it. How do a Senator's powers differ from those of a Governor, for instance? Legislature vs. Executive?

And isn't it also true that the Founding Fathers intended the states to be much more autonomous than they are? That the powers of federal government have grown and grown at the expense of the states?

 
Iron_Chef

Israel was created to give the millions of refugee Jews a place to live, Europe couldn't kill them all but they still didn't want them around.

 
Iron_Chef

And isn't it also true that the Founding Fathers intended the states to be much more autonomous than they are? That the powers of federal government have grown and grown at the expense of the states?


US Civil War took care of that issue.

 
Spir-An

Oh yeah another point about the states - the reason for the US Senate is supposed to be to give the states some representation, as balanced against population centres, thus allowing all regions to have an effective voice - but aren't the states a completely bogus basis to represent regions, given the massive disparity in sizes? How can you compare Rhode Island or Delaware to Texas or California? It's long seemed to me that Americans regard statehood as some kind of sacred cow, that preserves something really important. And sure there are differences between the cultures of different states, and hence the laws and I guess people can move from one to another in pursuit of something closer to what they want, but it's hardly methodical or rational. I mean most state borders are straight lines or at least don't follow any natural boundary, and western states are generally much larger than those in the east, creating complete imbalances. It's not as funny as the development of states in Australia, but it's close.

 
tamachan

Here's a link to that diplomat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara



Spir the only time you know when you are in another state here is when the police car pulls you over. No signs no nothing!!!

 
Iron_Chef

I am not completely sure about your question but I will take a stab at it. First off the question of why we have states goes back to your own country and the fact that they created seperate colonies. After the Revolution and the Constitutional Conventions the framers wanted to unite the colonies into one nation however for a lot of different reasons, mainly economic as usual, they had to unite the colonies into states and give them some autonomous power. Basically there was an assumption that the Federal Government would handle issues like currency, postal service, the military, foreign relations, and international trade regulations. The states would handle everything else. Obviously it all came to a head when the Lincoln was elected and the south feared that not only would emancipation ruin them economically but also usurp basic state's rights. So after the Civil war you had a much stronger Federal Government which usually gets enhanced during other periods of national crisis, WW 1, WW 2, civil rights movements in the '60s, and even after 9/11. In the constitution it had provisions for admitting new states and the amount of population it contained in the territories.

You made a comment about the differences in the states, there really are huge differences between a lot of them and it works well on how the power is distributed, for example, in the 90's Trent Lott was the majority leader of the Senate and he was from Mississippi, not a huge state in terms of population or an affluent state, but the guy wielded a lot of power. Now you have Harry Reid taking over the Senate and he is from Nevada, once again, a very sparsely populated state. Nancy Polesi will take over as Speaker of the House and she is from California, our largest populated state. This gives every region of our country a voice and some clout.

I do not know if I answered your question but I hope I provided some insight.

 
tamachan

British Columbia was proposed once as a new state if im not mistaken and a referendum almost undertaken?

Mexico should join at least they might get a fair go.

 
Iron_Chef

How could BC become a state if they are a province of Canada? As much as you all like to think the US is out to build an empire, this is a stretch.

 
Spir-An

OK thanks for that Chef. It's interesting how it goes right back to British rule and an insistence on separate 'colonies' within the whole of British North America. I wonder why they did that. It could be similar to the Spanish decision to do the same in Spanish America, which was talked about in a book about nationalism I read called "Imagined Communities". Apparently there was a deliberate Spanish colonial policy of keeping the different regions separate - governers and functionaries could never move from one section to another, they went to and from Spain. So the different areas grew up feeling different, and even after Bolivar's revolutions they were unable to combine in one big republic like he wanted, hence all the many countries. So it seems with the US states, they may be combined in one big country but they remain as distinct states, on account of this history.

Anyway one point about the different states of the US is that the ones in the east, besides being generally smaller, are also kind of more 'organic' or natural. I mean they grew up gradually and slowly, with often fancy borders like most countries' borders, rather than quickly and artificially. Whereas the states in the west were created out of huge territories gained quickly due to the Louisiana Purchase and the Mexican-American War, resulting in a lot of straight edges, rectangular shapes, and large areas that often cut across natural regions. It's like they'd lost the will to create small, manageable chunks with complex natural boundaries.

This is where my Aussie reference came in. I may get some of this historically wrong, and I'm sure Tam can correct me, but look at a map of Australia and let's start in the south-east, ignoring Tasmania (why not). Actually where Cpt. Cook first landed was in New South Wales, but if we start with Victoria we can see the northern border is a nice wiggly line, largely some river or other I think. Moving up to NSW, it's a bit larger but not too much, and already the borders are becoming straight. Further up still they lost patience with dividing the land up and made the whole of the rest of the east side Queensland.

But then look: there's a little nick in the SW corner of Queensland where South Australia sticks into it. It's like SA has bitten Queensland's arse, or they've had a covering-each-other fight and SA has won. Northern Terrritory is pretty much an afterthought, and then finally we come to Western Australia - the entire western side of the country. It's like they got to that point and saw that it was mostly desert and said "Ohhhhhhh fuck it I can't be bothered" and just left it as all one state. So in the beginning they started out with nicely-shaped, medium-sized provinces and they ended up with a whole third of the country in one straightened-off lump. It looks hilarious.

 
tamachan

Here 'tis my memory hasnt gone yet Iron :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_Party_of_British_Columbia

 
Spir-An

If Mexico joined the USA it could hardly be just one state, think of the size of the electoral college and the number of Congressmen it'd send.

RE BC and related areas, I believe there was some to-ing and fro-ing between the US and Britain/Canada over the Cascadia region - I've seen maps where the border wasn't the current latitudinal one but pushed north or south. this was when there were hardly any white people in the area if course - it had maybe been explored and mapped a little but not yet colonised. I think these things were then sorted out by later UK-USA treaties, which fixed the border as it is.

 
Spir-An

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Treaty

But judging by what Tam posted, this isn't what he meant.

 
tamachan

The states here Spir were divided up by longitudes because at the time most of it was not yet explored so it was convenient i suppose. The border with victoria is natural because it was well known and a natural boundary in part. WA was infact a seperate country till it joined with the rest and was needed to join in federation. It still is a mess and has laws that make it a complete pain in the arse to extradite prisoners but that was ratified about 25 years ago but its still abit dodgy (Those on the run usually go there :D). The NT is not a state and is owned by the federal government in a way that would make your hair go grey trying to decipher. The ACT and the NT needs a lawyers knowledge to fully understand but do some googling if your interested.

 
Spir-An

Here's an example of a stupid war (in which no-one was killed) that happened on account of not defining borders properly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig_War

 
Spir-An

Hmmmm WA sounds a very strange place, Tam. It's in its own time zone, and I've heard it's so separate from the rest of the country they kind of ignore it. I'm talking about the population centre, Perth and surrounding area, not the desert, which is continuous of course. I'll never forget that joke of Chopper's on that vid you posted - "Western Australia, you're so far away why don't you just keep going?!" - and he pushes it into the Indian Ocean! :D The other one that was really funny was: "Adelaide! What's going on in Adelaide?" - big pause - "Moving on..." :D

 
tamachan

Yeah its defiantly a nice long drive! The Japanese fellas come here buy their super dooper motorcycles and ride them fast along the Nullabor which is dead flat. We just send 'em back in bodybags like the brits who drown at Bondi Beach every year :D

Never fucking learn do ya's :D

 
tamachan

Oh Spir.. The funniest part of chopper doing the weather i thought was "Now for the weather in Alice Springs.. Its gonna be fucking really hot" "Actually ill tell you the weather for the next fucking year.. Its gonna be fucking hot every fucking day!!" :D

 
tamachan

Spir choppers reading your stars here mate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olx_Jifwixc

 
Lazlo

Spir, you seem to have answered most of your own questions regarding the states. And Chef filled some of the blanks as well.

The original colonies were established by royal charters and were fairly diverse -- some had large populations of British immigrants, others Dutch or German, and so on. Religious preferences followed along similar lines. So there was a clustering of like-mided folks. As things heated up with England the colonies banded together to provide for a common defense. But there was a strong desire to maintain the autonomy of each colony and so they united as 'nation-states' of a sort.

Chef is correct that the civil war forever altered the balance of state powers versus federal powers. But just as important was the effect of the industrial revolution as the US changed from an agrarian society to an industrial one. The South remained agrarian as the North grew more industrial which had as much do to with the eventual schism as did the issue of slavery.

States are still in charge of most things that effect our daily lives. Roads, schools, zoning laws, police/fire departments.

Here's something to consider... how do you think the EU will evolve in 50 or 100 years?

As to some of your other questions:

The US Senate and House do have similar powers such as ability to introduce legislation, and I think you already alluded to the reason for this. It's to allow a balance between the more populous states and the sparsely populated states. For example, if only the House could introduce legislation, then California, Texas, New York, and Florida would hold all of the power. But as it is, a small population state like North Dakota (which only has one member in the House) has equal standing in the Senate with all the other states. Legislation introduced in each body needs to be reconciled in the other before it is voted upon and becomes law. It's a remarkably effective way to distribute power in as even a way as possible.

The Senate has sole power to ratify treaties and approve presidential appoints like Supreme Court nominees. The House has most control over monies.

DC was purposely created to be outside of the process when it was created to be the 'neutral' seat of federal government. Prior to that the capital was in Philadelphia and New York City as I recall and there were problems with that but I'd have to research it to be more specific.

The territories are outcasts and will likely never acheive statehood. Puerto Rico has been clammering for it but is seen as a drain on resources and will forever be relegated to 2nd class status. Alaska and Hawaii were territories until 1959 so who knows what may change in the future.

I'm familiar with the British Columbia issue (since I live in Washington state) but it's never been considered any more serious than the movement to split off Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia into a separate country.

An interesting side note: Point Roberts, Washington is one of three 'exclaves' in the United States. I'm proud to say that I've been to all three.

I think the US Constitution says that each state shall have a republican form of government but leaves it to the states to determine how that works. Nebraska is indeed an interesting exception to the standard model of Executive/Bicameral Legislature/Judiciary. You may have noticed that it is also non-partisan. Nebraska state senators are not affiliated to a political party. Nebraska is mostly farmland and small towns, populated by matter-of-fact reasonable people. Slightly on the conservative side but in a very nice 'we mind our own business' kind of way. I can easily imagine them doing away with one legislative body if it means saving few dollars. I guess the other states are too contentious to follow that model.

Our governments are basicaly divided along three lines... federal, state, local... each with an executive/legislature/judiciary which have various powers over one another. Legislature passes laws, judiciary rules on their constitutionality or interprets meaning, executive enforces. Executive appoints judiciary, legislature has power to remove executive or judges. Executive proposes budget, legislature apportions the money from treasury and raises taxes.

Federal
Executive: President
Legislature: Senate, House of Representatives
Judiciary: Supreme Court, Federal Ciruit Courts

State
Executive: Governor
Legislature: Senate, House of Representatives
Judiciary: State Supreme Court, State Ciruit Courts

Local
Executive: City Mayor, County Commissioner
Legislature: City Council
Judiciary: County Courts, Local Civil Courts

There are many variations but most follow something like that.

Federal government establishes foreign policy/treaties, interstate commerce, laws that need to be consistent across the country (in theory). All other rights are delegated to the states. States similarly coordinate the affairs amongst their local municipalities and fund things like schools, highways, hospitals. Local governments focus on zoning (establishing commercial vs. residential areas), which side of the street you can park on, and fund police/fire.

That's all rather simplistic but should be enough for you to apply for citizenship!

 
tamachan

I see no difference to the 3 forms of government we have here or in Canada but they call them provinces not states.

 
Lazlo

I think the Canadian territories have a slightly differnt version than the provinces.

The other day I was very surprised to learn of Nunavut. I always thought there were 10 provinces and 2 territories in Canada. How did they slip that one in without anyone noticing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunavut

 
ovechkin

Lazlo: "Here's something to consider... how do you think the EU will evolve in 50 or 100 years?"

I can see a european republic coming up, to prevent individual european countries becoming the economic whipping boys of india, china and the us. And also, to stand up more firmly in the internal trade and environmental debates.

But im just guessing here

 
ovechkin

internal = international

 
tamachan

It pretty much is a republic as it stands now. The whole of Europe will go through the roof when China revalues their currency in about 10 years time and floats it properly. The only thing that will stop the poorer countries from being overwhelmed will be environmental taxes on shipping finished goods. This is what the environmental debate at the moment is about to get people in the frame of mind to have these levies because without them Europe will be at the mercy of Indian and Chinese industry. Its cheap now but when industries in Europe are wiped out the long term strategy of Chinese economic policy will bite you like bitches. We wont have this problem because we can charge more for our vast resources which they rely on to function but European countries will have to be a bit more protectionist because apart from Russia you guys have not enough to compete on global prices. This will be done under the guise of protecting the environment (which is valid BTW) but it has as much to do with protecting your interests.

How it is implemented and how it affects the chinese will be interesting because if it may to lead to chronic unemployment and unrest the Chinese may be heavy-handed in global politics. How it is managed is the real issue here because if China sneezes in 50 years time we will all be covered in snot.

 
Spir-An

DC - do they actually get represented then?

territories - well instead of statehood how about giving them independence? Puerto Rico has been seeking that for a long time - that or statehood. Seems unfair to be ruled by America but unrepresented in it. Maybe it wouldn't be a drain on resources if it was represented properly - given that 'pork' we hear so much about.

exclaves - one of them is the Lake of the Woods one, right? Can't remember the other.

"republican form of government" - but what is that? I have often heard Americans talk about a supposed difference between a 'republic' and a 'democracy' - as if a country could only be one or the other. But to me a republic is merely a non-monarchical state - a country where the head of state is not inherited. Thus any state that is not a kingdom, empire with an emperor or empress, duchy or grand duchy, etc., is a republic. It could be a dictatorship or a democracy.

"how do you think the EU will evolve in 50 or 100 years?" - depends on an awful lot of factors. At the most powerful end, the future of global warming and nuclear weapons will make a big difference. Besides that the nature of the West and how much Europe and the US will remain together in spirit will also have an impact. TBH I don't think there will be an EU in even 50 years time, and it's doubtful whether there'll be a USA. I'd like to think there'll be a global anarchy, but if not that then the EU will probably have been succeeded by another state arrangement, could be more democratic or less. It hinges on so many things:

- Currently there are three western European countries that have not joined, making the EU not fully representative of the whole continent. Will they join? We can guess all remaining eastern European countries will want to join.

- even then, what about Turkey? the Caucasus? Belarus? Ukraine? If Turkey joins we may have to boot it out again.

- Centralisation vs. decentralisation

- possible rearrangement of powers of bodies i.e. Commission, Parliament

- economic and other impact of non-Western areas - not just Islamic world, but China, India, etc.

- what will happen with immigration policy? Shifting demographics, aging population, pensions, increasing illegal immigration etc.

- can the EU develop a proper union-wide army? Will it need to, and if it does will it be found wanting?

- secularism vs. Christianity for the soul of the union.

 
Lazlo

DC doesn't get a lot of representation but it does get fairly generous handouts. After all, the politicians don't want the place to turn into a complete shithole. They spend a lot of time there.

Puerto Rico should probably be set loose as an independent country but currently they are a great source of baseball players and nude resorts. If they became the 51st state they would rank last by any measurable statistic. Politics is an ugly business, and please don't take my statements as condoning this in any way. It's just the way it is.

exclaves - yep, the Minnesota 'chimney'. I grew up in Minnesota and had some great fishing trips in Lake of the Woods and Boundary Waters. Camped on the far side one time. The other exclave is Alaska.

A republic has the political power vested with the individual as does a pure direct democracy (not sure one exists) or a representative democracy. I would say the difference being that a republic is a 'nation-state' of sorts. For example, California is a republic, India is a representative democracy. Canada and Australia are neither in that there is a (however weak and transparent) monarchy ruling above all. Nor would a dictatorship qualify since that implies political power beyond indiviual citizens.

EU in 50/100 years - I guess I was hinting whether the various member countries would eventually relinquish power to a 'Federal' system. Personally, I think not, but I can see similarities in the viewpoints of the original states over here. They never intended to lose so much power to a broader Federal govt. Geography probably plays a huge part in that transformation which the EU is not subject to in the same way.

 
tamachan

Puerto Rico is strategic like Guam and American Samoa.

 
ovechkin

Oh yea, europe has little natural resources, and little environmental space left for any new forms of energy production (ie. ethanol fuel).

My guess is lots of europeans will actually go to africa and build up a new way of life over there...

 
ovechkin

What im trying to say is, europe cant be self dependent and will always have to import huge amounts of resources and energy. We will be the whipping boys and europeans looking for less reliance on external factors (external to europe) will march towards the continent of oppertunity: africa

 
ovechkin

If the Chinese dont get there first LOL

 
ovechkin

Oh and another thing: south america is generally socialist like europe, i can see lots of europeans goin over there for a better life.

 
Spir-An

I think the word republic has been used with a far broader meaning than that. For instance mediaeval Italian city-states were called 'republics' when they threw off inherited rulers and gained mercantile rulers like the Medici or the Doges of Venice. Modern states call themselves republics in similar circumstances, e.g. lots of European countries after each of the world wars. And similarly lots of countries call themselves republics when they are or become dictatorships.

Re the EU and future sovereignty - it's an open question. I don't care about national sovereignty, so much as popular power and freedoms, plus accountability of anyone in office. But most British people don't want to give up British national sovereignty. However while some of their reasons I agree with (e.g. the authorities in Brussels are corrupt, wasteful, bureaucratic, perverse in their priorities etc.) when they complain about the idea of centralisation of power in Brussels while I agree again I think they are blind to the fact that the same point can be made about centralisation in London. These Eurosceptics are not really devolvers, so much as Little Englanders. But for me I have no problem being a citizen of a single European state as long as power is devolved as much as reasonable - that would allow most 'British' things worth keeping to be kept.

I think the cause of "Ever Closer Union" will be ever more advanced the more the continent as a whole is threatened by common threats that member states cannot face alone. Examples include increased illegal immigration, people-trafficking from Eastern Europe and the ex-CIS, energy and fuel shortages, economic rivalry from China and India, Islamist terrorism, nuclear threats, possible severance from alliance with the US etc. There has long been this myth that "Britain can go it alone", that this one small European country doesn't need to be part of a union to survive economically in a world of superpowers. That attitude has not usually been shared by the peoples of other European countries, altho there are always some opponents of the EU everywhere.

 
Spir-An

Europe may largely become a tourism/luxury/museum continent.

 
ovechkin

Thats what im afarid. With all the capital flowing out of europe in exchange for goods, it wont be the ordinary europeans that will have the money for the luxury industry.

 
ovechkin

* "That's what I'm afraid of" ... bad spelling there :)

 
ovechkin

And we wont make up the lost capital with tourism, you cant rake back in more than you give away...

 
Lazlo

And North Korea calls itself a democracy. Talk is cheap, ya know?

 
tamachan

Dont mock the 'great leader' Lazlo he chose it to be a democracy so it is! The only person who can fuck with him is Mrs Kim ok!

 
Lazlo

Tam, about a month ago I was searching for tourist photos from North Korea just because I like fucking with the Homeland Security guys that are monitoring my web surfing habits.

Found some interesting links. Note the near absence of cars and people.

http://www.enlight.ru/camera/dprk/phen_mang_e.html
arrow at the bottom takes you to subsequent pages

This shit is pretty amazing...
http://www.yunkai.de/stories/northkorea/page5/northkorea5.html

 
potass

Sorry, I'm off to camelfuckingland as he is bound to say it... but this is priceles:

Iron_Chef 2006 November 8, 14:58

Now that nancy Pelosi is going to be Speaker of the House I might as well learn to speak Arabic and get some anal lube


Just when I wasn't waiting for any MORE childish pots.. WHAM!!! "anal lube"!!!

You'll go far, Chef.

 
Lazlo

Chef,

Mrs. Lazlo gives this brand her squeal of approval..
http://www.stockroom.com/Eros-Bodyglide-Lubricant-P662.aspx

 
Lazlo

and before you too excited... I'm 'exit-only'!

 
Iron_Chef

potass 2006 November 10, 19:06

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, I'm off to camelfuckingland as he is bound to say it... but this is priceles:


Iron_Chef 2006 November 8, 14:58

Now that nancy Pelosi is going to be Speaker of the House I might as well learn to speak Arabic and get some anal lube


Just when I wasn't waiting for any MORE childish pots.. WHAM!!! "anal lube"!!!

You'll go far, Chef.


Just wear this shirt Potty and you will be showered with hugs and kisses.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/997/2315/320/new%20york.jpg

 
Spir-An

Lazlo 2006 November 10, 19:03

And North Korea calls itself a democracy. Talk is cheap, ya know?

OK, firstly let's say they're just wrong about that. But the equivalent for a republic would be if there was actually a hereditary ruler but they pretended there wasn't.

I don't know how the Romans used the term "res publica" but the use of "republic" to mean any state with a non-hereditary ruler dates back at least to the mediaeval Italian city-states and has been pretty consistent ever since. Hence

banana republic - poor, Third World country, often in Latin America, with a monoculture crop such as bananas. Often not democracies
Irish Republicans - supporters of Ireland ceasing to be part of the United Kingdom and becoming a separate country with a President; now supporters of Northern Ireland joining the Republic of Ireland.
Spanish Republicans - proponents and defenders of the new republic of Spain that took over from the monarchical system before it in the 1930s, and defenders of that new system against the coup by Franco.

etc.

 
tamachan

Lazlo North Korea is only part of the axis of evil because they havent opened up yet like the chinese. Once the coca-cola and burgers get in there all will be well. Kim-jong-il didnt turn up for the last mass games the partypooper :D

 
Spir-An

Meanwhile millions of them have died of starvation over the last ten years or so. Since it has been allowed by the government I call that a genocide.

 
tamachan

You should know better than that Spir. Its been under huge sanctions situations like these are the fault of both sides just like how the economic embargo on Iraq killed thousands also. 70% the regime 30% the US/UN in its heavy handed approach i say. They knew what was gonna happen when it imposed sanctions man thats why they did it to undermine support for the regime. Nasty business these sanctions.

 
Spir-An

You think the government isn't to blame when millions of people are starving and they're spending money on all those Mass Games, palaces for the cadres and VIP visitors, and nuclear weapons? You don't think they could reprioritise a bit? You don't think the circumstances of the starvation are deliberate? What about the reports of cannibalism and sexual abuse by guards and soldiers? I'm sure I heard they won't even let China help - and China could get rid of their food problem in a flash.

 
tamachan

My point Spir! we know this is going on and still the sanctions arent lifted. The UN with its resources could take North Korea in a week with 10% of the lives lost but they dont because they are a pack of morons. If they lose 100 000 in a war they are well ahead and the whole thing is over.

Seriously man youve never said a bad thing about the UN since ive seen you posting. They are a spineless waste of space and no-one makes the institution accountable for anything. They are to blame for this too by not doing anything but making the situation worse by cutting off essential shit to the people there like they did in Iraq. Look what they did in Bosnia!!! The delegates should be hanged for incompetance.

 
Spir-An

Why should I say anything bad about the UN? It isn't an agent with its own power. It's merely an instrument by which countries, which are real agents, can achieve things collectively - or not, as the case may be. The UN has no more obligations than its member states. It has no obligation to do anything in particular in North Korea, nor do states for that matter, I'm not accusing any other countries in particular WRT the genocide. I just don't think we should sweep the matter under the carpet and pretend it's not happening. AFAIC it's the most important thing about North Korea right now, not nuclear weapons, Mass Games or whatever but it hardly ever gets mentioned. If the govt were using gas and the victims were wearing yarmulkes we'd hear about it soon enough. I don't know about the sanctions but I don't think it's any sanctions-imposing governments that are responsible for the genocide - it's the North Korean government.

 
tamachan

Spir man this problem in North Korea in regards to food shortages has only happened since sanctions were imposed. This is a fact and who imposed them? The UN.

You say it has no obligations to North Korea? Well in truth it doesnt but it shouldnt decide to act in one way or the other on it. If it acts (which it did) then they are responsible for the consequences of these actions ie: the food shortages. Theyve been told for years that public money in DPRK has not been lessened on the military or on its nuclear program despite the sanctions. So it either has to take proper action and remove it or lift the sanctions. But if it doesnt lift the sanctions (which it hasnt) then they are PARTLY to blame because they KNOW people will die because of it. The system is not working with the UN because its letting down the average Joe in North Korea at the moment. This is what im trying to say. There are more than enough members with veto powers to stop this tommorrow and they are the most to blame. It doesnt make sense. The reason why the UN has no balls and is a sham is because the governments in power representing the member states dont want to lose power and popularity in their own electorates by going to war with a country that frankly not many people give 2 fucks about in their everyday worlds.

Bottom line. North Korea and the North Korean people arent worth shit if you understand where im coming from. This is the real problem with the mentality of people. Its the same reason why millions die everyday in Africa from ridiculous shit like mosquito bites or vitamin A. The UN is the only organisation that can stop this but its not politically worth it for them. Stooges like Kim-Jong-Il and Milosovic show just how fucking inept and inadequate it really is. It makes it almost impossible for other counties on their own to act even if they had political will because such a big task would bankrupt them or cast them away as outlaws.

 
Spir-An

I agree with your basic cynical picture of course Tam. The UN has no balls because it is, in Mao's words, a 'paper tiger' - it appears to be important and powerful but it's all front. And most people and governments in the world don't care about dying people unless there is some mileage to get out of them - oil, propaganda etc.

I don't know about the sanctions, maybe I'll look into it.

 
Spir-An

Selected quotes from Wikipedia:

"...North Korea is now dependent on international food aid to feed its population. According to Amnesty International, more than 13 million people suffered from malnutrition in the DPRK in 2003. In 2001 the DPRK received nearly $US300 million in food aid from the U.S., South Korea, Japan, and the European Union, plus much additional aid from the United Nations and non-governmental organizations. Unspecified (but apparently large) amounts of aid in the form of food, oil and coal are also provided by China every year. ... When there is a bad harvest, as has been persistently the case over recent years, the population faces actual famine: a situation never before seen in a peacetime industrial economy."

The UN is responsible for the starvation? It rather sounds the opposite, that they're helping to alleviate it. If there are, or were, UN-imposed sanctions on North Korea that included food how come the UN and several of its members were actually send food in aid, never mind selling it?

You'll note that:

"...North Korea maintained its violent rhetoric against the U.S., South Korea and Japan."

Which amounts to: "You people who are feeding us are bastards!"

When I tried to Google {"United Nations" "North Korea" sanctions} most references were to the sanctions imposed or proposed on account of the recent nuclear test, not any sanctions imposed during the period I was talking about (the last ten years), so I am yet to see any evidence of these starvation-inducing UN sanctions.

Meanwhile:

"Amnesty International's 2003 report on North Korea says that "there were reports of severe repression of people involved in public and private religious activities, including imprisonment, torture and executions. Unconfirmed reports suggested that torture and ill-treatment were widespread in prisons and labour camps. Conditions were reportedly extremely harsh." "

I can't see how that's due to the UN.

 
Spir-An

BTW I take back what I said about China not being allowed to help - clearly China, despite its own disgusting record of human rights abuses and genocide (under Mao), is trying to do its bit to help the North Korean people.

 
Spir-An

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/04/16/nkorea8445.htm

The whole page is worth reading but this is the key bit: "Millions of North Koreans have perished in silence from starvation, torture and execution in recent decades. Many children are stunted for life because of hunger."

 
MySonIsMis

funny how indoctrinated people are. we only speak of the crimes of official enemies like north korea. i would imagine 4 years ago all of you were talking about the crimes of saddam hussein.

 
Spir-An

? It's the other way round for me. Being a left-winger I am used to hearing and agreeing with criticisms of the USA and right-wing regimes. For me, criticising North Korea is admitting the faults of supposedly left-wing regimes.

 
tamachan

Spir food aid is tied to trade regulations you get it when you agree to terms and conditions what these were i dont know but i do know these would include technologies and anything that may be linked to a nuclear program such as steel etc. So lets do some quick sums. $300 Million.

$100 Million would be logistical and admin.


$200 Million divided by 40 Million peeps = $5 per annum or 1.5 cents per day per person. ( i dont know the population of North Korea but this would be an educated guess?). This is before you factor in the price of their allowable exports which would be a significantly limiting deal on their development. Sporting embargoes have been in place for a long time similar to what happened in pre-apparthied South Africa also. Also when you have a climate such as this the currency of the affected nation is artificially lowered making any imports such as medicines etc artificially at least twice as expensive for them. The political climate towards them also adds pressure to their neighbours to take a mainstream negative attitude towards them particulary China where there is a double standard happening to Authoritarianism. This costs them dearly in operating the economy too.

 
Lazlo

This thread has been very wide-ranging to date but I believe I may have unearthed a few subjects yet to be covered.

Nuclear Fusion - if we survive the 21st century will this play a part?
http://www.iter.org/index.htm

Track your money in US or Canada. Any equivalent for this in other parts of the world? Check out the top 10 for a quick view.
http://www.wheresgeorge.com/
http://www.whereswilly.com/

 
Lazlo

and a travel planner for MySonIsMis... ever thought of visiting the Netherlands?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1904789.stm

 
Spir-An

tam - you're BSing now.

1. "$100 Million would be logistical and admin." How on Earth do you know that?

2. "$200 Million divided by 40 Million peeps" I doubt 40 million are supposed to be recipients of this aid, whetever the total population is. That's because not everyone is starving. Did you see where it said that 13 million people were malnourished? I think they aren't even aiming for that many.

Having said that it's probably true even that $300 M worth is not enough. But so what? The question was whether "UN sanctions" are contributing to the suffering. I haven't seen any evidence of any UN sanctions existing at all (until the current nuclear issue), but I did present evidence of UN and other outside help, and now you're merely quibbling about how much that help is, which is a different question.

3. Sporting embargoes - irrelevant since lack of sport doesn't make people starve.

4. Negative attitude from other countries - again I can't see how that makes people starve, nor is it a form of 'sanctions'. As regards China, until this recent nuclear test the Chinese have absolutely not had a negative attitude towards them.

5. "food aid is tied to trade regulations" - I imagine that's probably true in at least some cases somewhere in the world, but show me some actual evidence that it's happening with North Korea. I get the impression the aid is pure humanitarian. If I'm wrong about that then yes, I would disapprove of that proviso being put on aid by donor countries/agencies, but that still isn't "UN sanctions" and still doesn't exonerate the North Korean state, which is directly responsible for the welfare of its people! It has created this situation and is continuing to preside over it, but you're blaming outside forces who are not responsible for not alleviating it enough!

 
tamachan

I said i didnt know EXACTLY what conditions were imposed to recieve the food aid but you can bet your balls there were. The $100 million figure is a stab in the dark and private companies usually do the footwork and shipping is not cheap. A ship going from Australia with the goods to North Korea for example would be $80 million in transport costs alone. The red tape would make up the rest in my guestimate as these costs are included in the figure usually when they use the term 'Aid package'. The term i should have used was 'trade restrictions' not 'sanctions'. After the Pong Su was sunk im pretty sure the UN imposed quite significant sanctions but i cant find it anywhere either. Ill do some googling on 'trade restrictions' after and see what comes up.



 
JonnyDrama

Amusing thread. Best parts: dumtowel calling someone else an "attention whore", the concept of Emiel selling his cash cow to Lazlo the Whackjob, and spir_an commenting on the brilliant construction of the US system of statehood from a hash fog in Oz.

 
Spir-An

A hash fog in Oz?

 
Lazlo

"Whackjob"... lol
I kind of like that. My wife usually uses "nuthead" or "weirdo".

 
Spir-An

What is a whackjob, literally? Is it a candidate for execution by the mafia? Or someone who's wacky? Hence better spelt "wackjob".

Given that the word wacky is often found with the word zany in descriptions of sub-standard comedies, is there such a thing as a zanejob?

 
Spir-An

Also, what kind of comedy is blowy?



 
dun666

Is lazlo still planning to buy the site?
If you are
YOu are a poor example of a republican.

No one will pay to play if there are 12 players in your site.

You should stick to what you republicans are good at:

White collar crime
Corporate Welfare and Tax breaks to the WEALTHY
Pedifelia and closeted Homosexuality
Mass murder
Extortion on a national scale
Good old fashioned looting of the coffers through lucritive defense Contracts producing defective equipment that kills US GIs
Propaganda and spin.

And Finally

Imprisoning the poor and people of color while profiting from the construction and maintainance of the prisons.

You are great at those things.

Leave running a free gaming site to nerds and liberals. You can just benefit from the free service that is not-to-be topped anywhere while complaining all the while.

If there was a better FREE site you would be there instead. Being republican you would never pay for anything like this when you could get it for free.

That's where we are alike.

Jeb Bush 2008-infinity

 
Iron_Chef

Is there a hall of fame for posts on this site, if there is, I nominate the above mentioned post. This is a great example of why we should not let people thaw out cave men and then try and sum up the world's problems in 5 minutes and send them out on the streets.

 
Spir-An

Thaw out cavemen? Send them out on the streets? ????

 
MySonIsMis

Iron_Chef do you believe in cave men, or were adam and eve the first people when earth was created 6,000 years ago?

im being serious, which do you believe?

 
Niakka

i believe we all get our very own planet to rule when we die.

 
Iron_Chef

I still think Lazlo is a penis but if he wants to buy this game what's his name sells it to him then more power to Lazlo but it hardly equates to subjugating people or world military expansion. Has it become this cliched to bitch and whine no matter the issue and then blame it on the US?



 
dun666

Actually Mr Iron Chef...

I was not Bitching. Did you see any complaints?
whining?

I was making a constructive suggestion. The numbers don't lie on any of the bullet points I mentioned and I would be happy to provide you with the references to back that up.


I am flattered that you think I look like a cave-man. That's much better than what people were saying your flick suggested. Cave man was closer to Jesus than you are. Jesus is much closer to Che Guevera than Richie Rich AKA Draft-Dodging Bush Cheney any day. If Jesus was alive today he would be in Guantanamo for beating the shit out of those fools.

Jesus was the first Socialist.

Again I would be happy to provide you with a Biblical and Marxist anotated Bibliography that conclusively proves this point.

Would Jesus drive that Hummer?
Who would Jesus Bomb?
Who would Jesus immolate with white phosphorace?

These are more relevant thoughts than the non-sequeters that you threw at me and my thinking.

I blame the worlds peril on the policies of the first world and the world bank.

What are your thoughts on the world bank and their {self-proclaimed} vultures who prey on ailing 3rd world nations?

What do you think of the recent upward redistribution of capital in this country?

What do you think of the recent attacks on defense lawyers in this nation? Do you know that there is a crisis in the Justice System because defense lawyers are scared to represent the most un-popular defendents? Can you think of why this might be relevent to the state of freedom in the US?

That's your homework:
Say something somewhat intellegent in response to my rambling. Form a coherent argument.

Engage my intellect, not just my sarcasm.

 
Iron_Chef

I would engage your intellect if I thought there was a shred there to engage but when you made a post that tried to equate your political beliefs with Lazlo's attempt to buy a computer game I realized that you are nothing but a typical freeloader who believes that the efforts of folks should not be compensated. If Dutch boy wants to sell this game and Lazlo has worked hard to generate the cash to pay then by all means they should pull the trigger. I cannot stand the free loaders who think they have some right to play this for free forever. I suggest you go get a job instead of holding up your sign "will work for food" and yet have no intention of ever filling out a job application. A news flash for you, if you live in this country unemployment is almost nil, so even you could find a job.

 
Lazlo

Would Jesus drive that Hummer?
Who would Jesus Bomb?
Who would Jesus immolate with white phosphorace?



I think it would depend a lot on what he was wearing at the time.

 
Spir-An

I'm really intrigued about your picture, dun666. Which of those two people are you? Why does one have a closed, blackened eye with what looks like a piercing above it? Why is he also half-naked? And why are the two of you so pasty and pale?

I agree with you BTW about the Western banks, they are cunts.

 
tamachan

Iron-chef

This is old phrase that is perfect for the job market in the US for ALOT of people.

"Go to work, to earn the money, to buy the food, to gain the strength, to go to work"


Wages for the average guy is getting like that the way your country and mine is going. Its because of these so called Christians and the right-wing. Fucking disgraceful pieces of monopolising shit. You seem to care about them when they couldnt give a rats arse about you. Believe me they dont pal.

 
Iron_Chef

Kind of interesting you brought this up Tam, because I read an article today about an increase in wages for bachelor degreed students just entering the market. Only a few liberal arts majors were not up to snuff but most business and tech majors were making a considerably leap over what they were a few years back. I will try and find you the link.

 
tamachan

The "average guy" Chef doesnt have a degree. Arts majors are Claytons degrees good for nothing at the best of times. I'll find you a link easy peesy about how much they cost now too and how many parents re-mortgage to afford their kids a chance. Take here for example when i was 18 year old they cost literally fuck all. Not a brass razoo my friend. Now for a first year out law degree student he has a $140 000 debt and thats if he has passed and not had to re-sit anything. 1st year out ankle biter school teacher gets a good wage of $45 000 but has a debt of $30 000 with interest bearing and 90% chance that his/her job is on contract. A brick layer earns $70 000 with no debt. Tech jobs will soon be outsourced when the universities overseas catch up dont worry about that. No security in employment anymore thats the real killer and it changes the whole fabric of society. People are alot shrewder nowadays because everyone is disposable at a moments notice.

You only have to look at all the sad pricks who let other people raise their kids in childcare centres because they been screwed over. When i grew up and it was a working class shitty area not many families needed two people working to survive. Now to get to work lets look at it from my old area to the CBD.

1) $3 road toll payable both ways because some twat decided to let his mate own the fucker and not spend my tax on making me a free one. Total = $30 per week.

2) Parking in what used to be the royal botanical gardens which my forefathers paid for sold to some cunt for a song. $20 a day. Total = $100 a week.

3) I could travel by train and then ferry to work. OK. This has also been sold to somebody which i mistakenly thought i paid for before and operated by people i voted for. This of course is monopolised and now it costs 3 times more pro-rata comparing wages now and before. Weekly ticket that includes ferry journey (which i thought i owned too) $90 a week.

4) Bush keeps fucking with petrol price and this could cost me 50% more on juice for the week depending on how greedy they feel that week.

5) On the weekends its now costs me $10 to go for a swim down the council pool because yes you guessed it some right-wing christian reaganist cunt decided that i didnt need the one i paid for before but instead should re-name it, give it to his mate and make me pay again for it. Im told this is for my own good.

6) I decide i want to make a phone call from the pool which used to cost 40 cents but now costs 50 cents. I was told if we got rid of the phone company i paid for before it would be cheaper. But noooooooo. Not only do i have to pay 50 cents but i cant even use change in the phone. I have to buy a $20 phone card because they dont want to pay someone to collect the coins. Now i pay $20 for a 40 cent/50 cent call because im told the fucking card credit must be used within 2 months. So the fucker doesnt get used again because i dont need it and i get screwed. 1 phone call = $20

7) I get home to enjoy my garden and get hit with a $100 water charge because the company sets the ration while letting the coca-cola manufacturers pay nothing for but use 99% of the resource out of the dam i paid for and sold to someone for nothing. So i subsidise the same people to steal my fucking water and then get charged for it.


So not only now do i have to pay a shedload to get a degree and buy myself a job but i have to put up with this too. Its incredible man and the people in the US whinge because someone might want something for nothing. They have got you trained well Chef next they will have you paying for their funerals too. Oh wait???? Reagan got a free one the bastard while you have to pay for yours! Am i cynical or this is fucking bullshit!

 
Iron_Chef

I am currently back in school, History, going to teach junior high or high school and coach, paying my own way, so I already know my expenses...

 
Lazlo

Check out this crazy ass website.

 
MySonIsMis

My god can you imagine having Iron_Chef as a history teacher! I presume the lessons would be something like this

"Ok children, open your bibles. 6,000 years ago God created earth. 200 years ago he created America. He has been guiding America against the evil dark skinned peoples of the middle east ever since. Its ok to smoke cigarettes because the rapture will come before you are adults. Now lets talk about how silly evolution is!"

 
Spir-An

Crazy ass website indeed Lazlo! It's a shame it seems to want a 1024+ screen because it means the edges are cut off on my screen. The graphics are funky, it's just a shame it's all for advertising. I like the way one of Leo's quotes is "Keep it simple" considering how complex that flash is!

 
dun61

What were we talking about again?
freeloading on this website?

Isn't that how the internet began?

Freeloading loafing nerds

SHARING DATA?

That is a very dangerous concept to people like you who want to be like the government and tax everything. You want to be Bill Gates who gets a piece of everything done on PCs. Don't you. You want be able to get income from other people's labor don't you. If you owned GM wouldn't you enjoy collecting the money that was generated by the blood sweat and tears of others?

But if one of your workers made a car from scrap and garbage on his or her spare time wouldn't you ruin his/her life with swiftness?

Well those people who do free stuff on the internet must chap your hide. I love how Lazlo posted a link to a website that crashes older computers.

I don't know Lazlo. I can't say that I would not pay him to play on his site. I am just reacting to the loss of free stuff to do in the world. Places where RICH people can interact with normal people.

By the way... I too have put myself through college. I have a masters degree in Biology. I have less than $5,000 in loans. I got like $10,000 in grants. I worked 40 hours a week and went to college full time for 4 years out of 7. I was a 9th grade teacher too. I applaud your shift to Education Iron.

I think you might be more suited to law inforcement. You will be amazed at the parallels between the two careers. The money, the tasks, the politics, are all almost the same. Except they haven't started putting video advertizements in patrol cars yet...

 
dun61

and by the way...

I have no piercings. I had no shirt because it was summer and like 90 degrees. I look pasty because of the light and the fact that I worked indoors and didn't get much sun. I am infact decidedly not pasty. Not only am I perfect....

I am ITALIAN

 
dun61

ENFORCEMENT...

all those years in college wasted

 
Spir-An

Now you've got that other pic up, that I've seen before! That one freaks me out even more! What on earth is that slime above your eye?! UUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!

BTW Lazlo, if you owned GM would you enjoy collecting the money that was generated by the blood sweat and tears of others? Well would you!?

 
Lazlo

I don't know if "enjoy" is the right word but I'd have no problem with it. Free markets and entrepeneurial spirit are always the way to go and should be rewarded. To do otherwise may lead us down The Road to Serfdom.

 
tamachan

Lazlo it also leads to a fuckload of wars and environmental catastrophes. The theory is that the free market should even out the worlds resources too of course it does when there is fuckall left.



There is a big shit problem thats going to enslave everyone very soon and thats the genetically refined seeds. Alot of food is grown now by seeds that have been gentically modified not only to yield more crop but it has the nasty intentional modification of not being able to yield seed that can be re-planted. Thus everyone has to buy from the seed companies new seed for re-planting.

This is serfdom in the entreprenuerial spirit. Even the little packet seed people can buy at their local garden store can only yield 2 crops. The germination of the second crop leads the next seed to be infertile. Fucking nasty way to make a $$$. Enslaving everyone.

 
Spir-An

OK dun61? He doesn't know if "enjoy" is the right word but he'd have no problem with it - free markets and entrepeneurial spirit are always the way to go and should be rewarded! To do otherwise may lead us down The Road to Serfdom! What do you say to that?!


BTW I find it intriguing that they were prepared to publish this book in both the UK and America in 1944 - when there would have been a paper shortage. But I suppose it would be seen as convenient anti-Nazi intellectual propaganda.

 
Lazlo

Tam, you talk as if wars and environmental catastrophes are bad things. How are we ever going to get world population back down to 500 million without them?

Coincidentally, my brother-in-law happens to be a chemist with Monsanto in their genetic lab. Some of the modifications that they make to crop seeds increase resistance to pests without the need for insecticides. This reduces harmful exposures to farmers and saves the soils from being laden with toxic chemicals. The fact that the seeds are designed for only two crop cycles helps keep Monsanto profitable, and thus keeps him employed and not moving in with us. So please let's not have any more of that talk.

 
tamachan

Well i dont think its fair that your dick relations and their poor BO should keep the food supply at such a ransom just because because you like your privacy. :D


PS- Seriously man if he stinks that bad he could keep my dick relos (who sell perfumes BTW) in a more secure job. Fuckit i knew you were the enemy! :D

 
Lazlo

Where did you get the crazy notion that life was fair?



 
dun666

Lazlo
I don't see your picture on the site. Is that because your face is not as sexy as my wounded eye?

If you were perceptive, you would have seen the stitches above my eye.

I am an Italian Stallion.

as far as this discussion concerning the free market...

I am an american

I should concede to your point.
You are right. If I continue on my arguments I might get a visit from some Feds who imprison me on secret evidence and never charge me. Magna Carta is overturned after 1000 years. I heard about that did you?


I officially renounce Communism and Socialism and all that is opposed to US corporate interests.

Signed

Dun61, Dun69, dun666 and all my other Multiple personalities.

 
Lazlo

I apologize. I didn't realize that was your 'wounded eye'. I thought your boyfriend had made a deposit.



 
dun666

The fact that you replied to my post so soon...
Alas


that is not such a great indicator of your social skills.

It would seem to imply your need of a "boyfriend" or pet poodle or something. YOu clearly cannot get a woman.

And you really are not perceptive if you see that image and think about "deposits"... we can just cum out ans say it... SPERM...

Why is that on your mind?

 
Lazlo

I didn't realize that checking the discussion forum between games was considered social anathema. You are correct that I cannot get a woman. If I did, my wife would probably have my nuts in a vise grip in about two seconds.

Regarding your picture, I can't bring myself to enlarging it and viewing in detail as I'm not that much of a masochist. I was simply commenting on Spir's description of some "slime" above your eye. I don't really care what you boys do in the privacy of your home but it's in very bad tatse to parade your activities in a public forum in that way.

More importantly, how long have you worked at GM? And which assembly line are you on?

 
Lazlo

By the way, I have not heard anything about the Magna Carta being overturned two hundred years from now. What's that all about? Is Queen Elizabeth plotting something regarding her heirs?

 
Spir-An

Magna Carta isn't worth much anyway, it mostly gives powers to the barons rather than the king, not to commoners. The later "Charter of the Forests" was much more important for rights for the masses. Didn't we already have this conversation or was it somewhere else?



 
dun666

Ok this is too much like a bad drunken dialogue. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings Lazlo or Iron. If we ever play please don;t backstab me or anything.

GLA

Play some risk

 
Lazlo

No worries. I always play fair games.

 
Iron_Chef

This entire thread really should go down as one of the dumbest in the history of this game and I have seen some seriously stupid crap posted here over 5 years.

 
CharlesVIl

lol... chef, when are you coming back to dominategame to play?



 
CaptnRisk

I'm with Charljjj on this one Iron_Chef

Come back and play

I will honor your return with a new nic

CaptnChef...:D

Lets play as this new nic should hit 2000 in 7

 
Spir-An

I think this is one of the best threads ever! It's huge and contains all different subjects.

 
tamachan

I wish you said 'pic' instead of 'nic' Captn because that one with the bottle hanging out your arse is a bit tasteless and disgusting.



 
CaptnRisk

Let me get this straight tamachan...Are you trying to say I have an ass face?

 
tamachan

I cant see your face in the pic man. ;)

 
Lazlo

Does anyone have any recommendations for some good 'pulp fiction'? Looking for something good to read on the airplane.

Just finished 'The Last Templar' by Raymond Khoury and it was so-so.

Last week I read 'Blowback' by Brad Thor and thoroughly regret having done so. Likewise the utterly worthless tome 'The Scorpion's Gate' by Richard A. Clarke. Avoid both of these at all cost.

'The Last Detective' by Robert Crais was enjoyable.

 
Spir-An

What counts as 'pulp fiction'? I recommend John Le Carre.

 
Lazlo

Yeah, I've read all of his books and will get 'The Mission Song' once it comes out in paperback. But that just reminded me I've yet to read Vince Flynn's 'Consent To Kill'. Nelson DeMille must have something new as well.

 
Spir-An

Are you into science fiction or must it be thriller/spy etc.?

Do you know Michael Marshall Smith? Or Iain M. Banks?

 
Lazlo

Never read much science fiction except for Arthur Clarke and, of course, Douglas Adams. I once laughed so hard reading 'Restaurant At The End Of The Universe' that I hyperventilated. Used to read Michael Crichton, if that qualifies, but I got tired of him.

I'll look into Michael Marshall / Smith.

 
knck_u_out

ok all this contravrcy over captinrisk's pic. any idiot can tell that is val kilmar drinking out the bottle with tom cruise in the back ground i believe this picture was taken while they were on the movie set TOP GUN. its the iceman and mavrick. remember at the end of the movie where val looks at cruise and says u can be my wing man anytime then cruise says in response no you can be mine. well bye the looks of the picture tom cruise is val kilmars wingman.

 
knck_u_out

and they are obviously just havin a few drinks in rememberance of goose. thats why cruise has the shades on to hide the tears. but val is much tuffer than that he hits the bottle straight up.

 
knck_u_out

id be much more worried about dun666 picture. i bet those guys got some kids tied up in theyre basement.

 
Lazlo

Happy PI Day!

Click on the link for Marc Umile's Pi Recitation.

 
Lazlo

Beware the Ides of March!

 
query

I don't think you should have to pay for everything in the world, but I think you should be willing to contribute to those things you use and care about. I like the idea of members buying the site and using dues to run it (like an online club/co-op). We would have to pay some system administrators, programmers, and put aside money for upgrades etc.

 
blk

Off the topic:

Have you noticed "MySonIsMis" is missing?

He's the person who created this thread.



 
dumtowel

Happy Death Day Julius Caesar! May you be as dead on this Ides of March as you were for the last 2050 some years!

 
Spir-An

blk, MySon was given the boot (banned). Check his profile.

 
blk

Yes I know Spir.
Hence the sarcasm "MySonIsMis is missing"

 
blk

I just thought it was funny that he is now missing too :)

 
Lazlo

MySonIsMis said something about a vacation to Guantanomo. Anyone get a postcard from him?

 
Spir-An

When did he say that?

 
Lazlo

I fought in the second world war, and yet you some how think you are entitled to the luxuries that I FOUGHT to give you? -MySonIsMis

You're aging remarkably well for a guy in his 80's.

 
Spir-An

I was gonna say - that's some Botox use gramps! What's your secret?

 
MySonIsMis

Dummies! Thats my adopted son who went missing. Thats not me, Im in my 80's

 
Spir-An

How come 'his' picture appeared then?



 
dun666

wow
MySonisMissing
you are back.

Your language style is so young. You must be a really hip poppa. I wish you would post a pic so people would stop all this doubting. And sprinkle in a few facts of life that aren't readily apparent to us young people who weren't even glimmers in our parents' eyes when you were defending Brittanica can have some insight into how things were then, some of your valuable perspective is needed in these times of creeping Fascism. You lived through the last fascistic rise, you saw the lead-up to the Blitzkreig. You can show us the similarities between the two eras... and the differences.

Everyone on the internet fakes something. It lets us feel more comfortable.

I don't care if you are or are not really 80 years old veteran or whatever. Well I guess I do. I just don't care to dance around playing cat and mouse with some sort of fib that got outta control
or the truth that you are not interested in sharing, instead you bandy it about and enjoy all the attention that comes your way around us asking you to show us your proof. and you feeling indignant that these little cheeze stains want to ask YOU who lived through the battle of Brittain, for some proof.

Either cut and paste some pics or scan them in or whatever.

Please Sir

I want more...


Facts or whatever...

please sir I want less....

bickering dance moves in this thread.

Does anybody here realize we are at a fork in history?

one easy Freeway to destruction

one gnarled path of gruelling work for a chance of the continuation of life on this planet that may somewhat resemble the natural world which we know and love. Sir
the ball is in your court.

we need you to show us the way.



 
Sharkattac

A fork in history.

Nice thing to take a philosophical,physical dive into.

Are the different branches of the fork equal, or is there some mathematical ordering system involved?

Do these different branches exist at the same time? Are we close to one of the rare moments where two different membranes collide and we get a peek into a parallel universe?

Please MySonisMissing, show us the way...

 
MySonIsMis

Color me confused! My profile has a picture of my son, who I am very proud of and love to show off to other people, as many parents do. You people are saying I must provide a picture of myself for the proof that I am in my 80's. If I were to do so, how do you know it is not some picture I found on the internet? It could be anyone. Therefore I wont do it since its not good proof.

And I did not fight in the war to defend Britain, nor did I participate in the Battle of Britain! I was defending the USA after the Japs bombed us! I was stationed in Britain for some time during the war, but I found the British soldiers rude and pretentious. The only thing I enjoyed was that the countryside English whores were rather clean. But I could give two damns if the Germans took over England! You are all the same to me!



 
dun666

Just trying to stir the pot. If we are trying to be a community of risk players we should be a little kinder to eachother, and you should feel like there are some people here worthy of knowing something real about you and your fascinating life story. I genuinely am interested in Genuine real stories. I liked the clean whores in the English countryside. Please sir more...

If there are haters like XXXXXX and XXXXXX out there who make fun of your personal life, ignore them. Be you.

Do you

I want to believe...

 
tamachan

If he has shagged english women he's a braver man than me.



 
dumtowel

If I am not mistaken, Britain was never invaded during WWII. It was bombed to hell, but Hitler decided to attack Russia instead. So if being stationed there is your idea of defending the United States, then you should have no reason to boast your false status.

 
tamachan

Dumtowel cant we ammuse the poor little lad :D

 
Spir-An

You people are saying I must provide a picture of myself for the proof that I am in my 80's. If I were to do so, how do you know it is not some picture I found on the internet?


Well, you could post a pic of yourself WITH the young man we saw before. It could still be someone other than his father perhaps; in which case maybe a general family photo is available?

I was stationed in Britain for some time during the war, but I found the British soldiers rude and pretentious.

This is funny! Pretentious? Do you mean the officers perhaps? I think a lot of them were up themselves, because they were all upper and upper middle class. But I can't believe the average squaddies were 'pretentious'. In what way?

But I could give two damns if the Germans took over England!

I have to say this annoys me. There is a growing epidemic of people (all Americans I think) saying "I could give a damn/care less etc." instead of "couldn't". As a contemporary solecism it's a strange one since the logic of it states exactly the opposite from what is intended.

Also the sentiment of this sentence is completely different to the concern for people you have shown before, so I think this is more faking.

 
tamachan

'I could give a damn' means that he doesnt give a damn Spir otherwise he would be giving a damn already.


It's just your english is shit there's nothing wrong with the phrase.


How many words do the English use dont even exist anyway? I can make up 3 letter words too ya know and pass them off as insults too you Dit!

 
Spir-An

I'm hardly going to take English lessons from you. And what you said didn't make sense.

"How many words do the English use dont even exist anyway?" LOL, how many grammar rules do the Australians use don't even apply? or whatever

You zug

 
tamachan

Makes total sense you are just getting all cut up and emotional about it.

 
dun61

This is more of the snake eating its tail.

You have alienated your most able ally.

I am off to play some risk2210 with my buddies.

Lazlo if you make a 2210 game I would pay $25 to play it as long as there were always 13 pLAyers there. Even if you had to enslave some peoplpe in China prison to play t with people

I will pay

but fuck spelling typose I dont care
I just gave away a 1 million Euro scheme to you for the fuck of it

let something good come of this miserable thread. Mysonismissiowa and Lazlo cooperate to make a 2210 engine. I will pay to play that.

But... right now
we got some great meals, some fine hookers, the best herbal aroma therapy. My best friends from the skull, bonez and armory society, and I, will have a blast!!! Both literally and figuratively and inuendoishly, or is that trithe? is that a word for both but three?

trithe?

let's add that one to the lexicon of the zeitgeist.

I win in five rounds with one double kill. you fukking chickenhawk double whammys.

 
Spir-An

"Mysonismissiowa" :D

 
copisa

OurRiskIsMissing

 
Lazlo

I wonder when Babel Fish will offer a Dun to English translation service?

 
MySonIsMis

Pardon me if my English is not perfect, but my speech came in a different era and in a different location! I speak American English, which is different then English English. I grew up in New England during the Great Depression. We used all sorts of different nouns and adjectives! It was quite amazing. I miss it dearly.

Back then, we decided to drop the "new" in "new england" and simply call it "England" which very soon changed to "Ann'glan" and we all loved it. When I was stationed in Great Britain, and told people of this, they laughed! They were mean and I hated then. The french were much nicer. When we had moved to the Continent the French women were so grateful for liberation that they spread their legs for any GI who said "bonjour". Even more promising were the women who had been fascist collaborators and sought safety in our arms.

 
Iron_Chef

It must have been pretty difficult to liberate France when you were a POW by the Japanese.

LMAO

Will your bullshit never cease?

 
MySonIsMis

Iron you ignorant hick

 
Iron_Chef

I may be a hick and I may be ignorant but I am not a liar, that title is solely reserved for you.

 
Minky

Although I do think Iron_Chef has some pretty repulsive and ignorant views on the "wide world", you MySonIsMis, far outshine him on belittling cultures.



 
dun666

right now I am eating these bitter butgandy raisin looking fruits from china that I can't even pronounce their name. They give my intestinal fortitude a vulcanic bile that sears like acidic alien split pee blood which will give me a +1 on all my offensive rolls when I attack with even numbers or less against the haters who have started stalking me and suiciding me to 6th every game.

Can you understand my vocabulary Lazlo munchkin berry?

 
Spir-An

Minky, MySon's current BS is not meant for real. Iron's is. But Iron is right, he may be ignorant and a hick but he is not a liar, and MySon is.

BTW I love the way this thread goes on and on and on...



 
dun666

WOW
what was I smoking?

I need help

 
Lazlo

Where do I apply to become an Admin?

 
pakezel

Just buy the darn site already, please. ;)



 
dun666

ok
here's the update. there is a false flag T37707 attack brewing.

I have stopped all drugs and alcohol for 2 months now. I am starting to rear my ugly head from the fog that I was in.

But for real do we have to be so damn rude to eachother?

I guess that is what forums are for. The electronic pseudo intellectual version of the dozens right?

Back to the topic at hand:

Global domination of the corporate elite!

I dont know the html language to make a cute little blue word link to an internet definition of fascism so I will tell Benitto Mussalini's definition:

The union of corporations with Government.

Discuss:



 
JonnyDrama

Lazlo must be stopped at all costs.

Unless he can guarantee uptime. The Lazlo is The Man.

 
eugenekim

question 1: where is lazlo?
question 2: have YOU seen lazlo?

 
tamachan

Lazlo has gone to Northern Canada for a month for the annual penguin mating season.

 
Seabra

Lmao tamachan XD Lauhged like hell.

 
Spir-An

Dun, how do you know about this false flag op? What does T37707 mean?

BTW it's lucky you've stopped all drugs and alcohol or no-one would believe you!

 
Mundeok

How much is Emiel selling the game for anyway?

Maybe we can get together a "coalition of the willing" to pay him more to turn the game open source. As for the server issue, maybe replace the banner with real ads to generate revenue + people willing to pay as usual to not have it.

 
eugenekim

emiel is not selling. if lazlo say this he would yell and tell everyone to stop bringing up old forums.

 
Spir-An

Well if Lazlo bought it the whole place would have a huge revamp.

 
MySonIsMis

We must not allow the privatization of this game. Lazlo is an ultra-republican extremist who believes in the extremist economic agenda of the bush administration; which basically means nothing is free, everything must be held in private hands, for profit, charge the people! screw them!

 
Spir-An

I really think this thread should die now!

 
Death

I agree.

But first I want an update on whether "mydickismissing" ever found her poor, long lost son. So distressed was she that it finally came down to posting in a forum no one reads.

So, please, I beg an update on the fate of your son. Was he found? Or is he fertilizer by the road somewhere?

Maybe he just wanted to get the fuck away from you.

My bet is the poor bastard never existed. If he did, then I'm sorry for him.

 
Lazlo

To the sorry motherfucker that sent me a personal message asking why I don't buy dominategame.com... EMIEL ISN'T SELLING!

End of story.

Anyway, it's summertime here and my wife keeps parading around in a bikini top. So I have other global conquests in mind!

 
tamachan

Winter is my shagging season as my kids were born in April and May and robably alot i dont know about too :D

 
MySonIsMis

death:

Thank you for your concern, I guess you had not heard how my horrible ordeal ended.

My son, while technically missing, was not abducted by a dutch pedophile from dominategame as I had feared. It turns out that while I was away on business, he left for a camping trip with some friends...without telling me! This is truly a parents worst nightmare. I thought that his step-father (who is estranged from his mother and is thought to be a molester) had taken him and brought him to europe. Thankfully that was not the case. I thank all those who helped me with this terrible, terrible situation.

I now have a foundation, Mysonismis's Kids, that benefits parents who have had or thought they had their children abducted. You may not realize but this causes extreme distress and caused me to stop working. The foundation benefits people like me who still need income after going through the emotional trauma of mistakenly thinking their children have been stolen. Please contact me to find out more information on how *you* can help

 
Hannibal23

Mysonis. you are a transparent pathetic scam artist. No one is buying your shit. Eat twat and die.

 
dun61

Spir An

My son is missing now. I cannot work anymore. All I do is sit and watch Alex Jonez videos and bite my nails. IF you do not believe me watch ZEITGEIST on google videos. I have watched it 29 times today all the way through. Spir... oh spir, T37707 is the code name for the cia black-op that has placed bombs in trainstations in italy and spain over the last 25 years, and did some other bad things. please get some help for yourself if you have never heard of OPERATION GLADIO.

I remain sober as a nun. Bush is running out the clock 'till the next election. Leaving this mess for his successor.

I love this site the way it is. If the site goes down, I just have a life until it goes back up. As long as it is not down for more than a week, I am ok. We are a great bunch here! EVEN TOAST!!! Let's not be too vicious to one another. You hear that TOAST? Dear Death. Can't you visit the Bilderburghers instead of mocking me? MY SON!!! I lost my son!

My son went on a fishing expedition with 3 million other swimmers in this fantastic grotto. I fear he never made it into the Fellopian Hostel. Can anyone help?

BTW I love Conny Sunlight and Aerobabe:)

 
dun61

Can we please keep this thread going
I want this to be the longest thread on the site.

Hope you are doing well people.

What was I not smoking when I wrote that one?

Come on people please play with me
I am so lonely.



 
mongolian

zzz zzz.. i feel asleep starting to read this.

Are there any updates about this? Has anyone tried to buy the game again? Has Emiel ever even considered any hypothetical number to even want to respond to a serious buyer?

 
LifeIsGood

I'd like someone to explain the banner that pops up when you're playing.

[url=http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/pseudoidentity/?action=view&current=25.jpg]It says you can become a member for 25 dollars or 25 euros ($25 = 17.35 euro).

Why two prices?

 
LifeIsGood

I'd like someone to explain the banner that pops up when you're playing.

It says you can become a member for 25 dollars or 25 euros ($25 = 17.35 euro).

Why two prices?

 
Spir-An

Mongo, this thread stopped being about Laz trying to buy the game a long time ago.

Dun, sorry to hear about your loneliness...

Besides that, and whimpering that this thread still hasn't died... I notice it is over a year old. So it's rivalling klier's thread on the Robots forum.



 
chickenshi

well,

maybe easy english would be the way to go huh?

 
ricx

I was thinking... does anyone here know what that server's requirements need to be?
Second of all... I read all the concerns people have when the game will change to a company with commercial gain. Aren't there any people wanting to build a new and improved version of dominate if this happens?
Third of all, why doesnt anyone use the idea of companies like partypoker.com or everestpoker.com and companies alike? Let the people join if they want and let them play in a money account if they want to. You can take a fee of every game they join or any tournament they enter... Maybe a more useful way of generating money... A bit harder in development, but you get to keep your users...

Let me hear what you all think...

 
Lazlo

ricx, I was thinking... you're a nutjob.

BTW, the sheer massive weight of this thread is probably what has crashed the game. Can someone please move this to the 'Intolerable conversations'?

 
Spir-An

STOP THIS THREAD NOW!!!!! EMERGENCY MESSAGE *MUST STOP POSTING*

 
dun61

I WILL SINGLEHANDEDLY KEEP THIS POST GOING:

dISCUSS:

The court placed the main responsibility for organising the March 2004 bombings, which killed 191 people, on the suspects who blew themselves up in the Madrid suburb of Leganes three weeks later. Much of the case against the accused related to their links to these men. However, many of the 29 accused were petty criminals and informants, who claim to have given the police information that could have prevented the attacks. In addition one of the chief suspects was acquitted for lack of evidence.

The 20 Arabs and nine Spaniards were charged with offences ranging from murder, stealing explosives, and forging documents to membership in terrorist organisations. All pleaded not guilty. The prosecution was seeking sentences of 38,656 years for the three men suspected of having masterminded the attacks, who were charged with 191 murders and 1,841 attempted murders. Other defendants faced sentences of between four and 27 years. (...)

In one of the most remarkable developments to emerge from the trial, Zouhier consistently claimed to have given the Civil Guard enough information to have prevented the attacks, culminating in handing over samples of dynamite. The Civil Guard responded by claiming that he did not warn them of the impending attack until it was too late. The petty crook Zouhier was certainly being “handled” by Civil Guard minders throughout the period before the attacks.

At the time of the bombings, the then-ruling Popular Party (PP) immediately blamed ETA. The right-wing PP was driven from power in a wave of popular hostility when it became clear that the intelligence services were in fact pursuing Al Qaeda links to the bombings. There was widespread anger that the PP’s support for the unpopular war against Iraq had made Spain a target. The PP, for their part, continued to insist on ETA’s involvement, and accused the Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE) of having mounted a coup to steal the election.

 
dun61

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
--Frederick Douglass

 
weakling

If the yearly fee would be $5 and no more, there'd be a good revenue stream, despite the naysayers. I'd say this would be a fair price.

Note, $5 US, not $7.50 that is equivalent to 5 euros else I'll go back to playing chess for FREE at freechess.org.

I do hope a better rating formula would be instituted and players would need an IP email address, not a disposable one to join.

It'd also be good to have a single name for each account, with a separate rating for each of the main types of games.

 
dun61

I wanna say that this last stretch without a crash is a testament to the brilliance of Emiels' hands-off approach.

I love this game the socialist way...

 
Spir-An

How long does this thread take for you to load? Takes me 25 seconds.

 
dun61

hi
um er

well
I love this thread.



 
chickenshi

BORRRRRRRRING



 
Dolores_69

Chicken shut UP. You have no idea how this decision could affect you if you'd bother to read the thread. Other than spamming uselessly.
Now would be the time to use the word 'nub' but I like chickenshi so I won't.

If what the original post says is true, then you'd have to fork out cash to play dominate. No more free accounts.

I have a question for Lazlo though. Without knowing much about whatever changes you'd make I must ask: Would there be a way of making a member's account worth what you pay for it? I mean 25 Eu just to get more than 3 nicknames. 50 Eu to get more than 25 nicknames and access to a member chat and a few minor ingame changes. It just seems a bloody waste of money...

"Fuck Lazlo, Free DominateGame!" Is a bit harsh, no?



 
chickenshi

Fuck you, Dolores

Lose the attitude

 
Spir-An

Delores how much of this thread have you read? Lazlo no longer has any intention of buying the game, and he never wanted what MySonIsMis suggested. The fact that this thread is still alive is testament to MySonIsMis's amazing ability to stir shit - plus Dun's insistence on continually returning to keep it alive.

 
Spir-An

Whoops, now even I'm calling you Delores. I've been influenced by your mentioning that in Complaints.



 
dun666

CHICKENSHI

When you can take the time to thoroughly investigate the socio-political issues explored in this thread, you will have grown into a woman. Until that time you will be looked upon by me as a darling little chickadee.

If you wanna be in danger though...
Show me your intellect.

your neck...
your back...
are all off limits



 
King`

I cant beleive this thread is still alive...

 
Spir-An

King, I refer you to my reply of the 10th.



 
chickenshi

Little chickadee will have too do then. :D

My neck
My back
Lick my Pus_y
And
My cr_ck

 
dun61

Merry Christmas
I love this thread as much as Jesus.
I heard that Emiel is thinking about selling his soul to the devil.
Let's keep the site alive and sell our souls too, but this time to Jesus Christ.
Dinero is playing Jesus in our pagent here. Come see this here. We are putting the pagent on here in Route 3 in Patterson New Jersey.

The admission is only 2 euros.

 
dun61

I want the tournament to charge 3 Euros to play
and you win a hug from My son

 
Spir-An

Glad to know you're still around dun! :) Missed you last few days.

 
dun61

I am a beast.

LAZLO PLEASE WATCH MICHEAL Clayton.

Then tell me I am crazy.

If you can really say I am crazy after watching this film, then you really do not have a human bone left in your body.

LAZLO

IRON CHEF

I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL IN RISK!!!

COME PLAY ME in caps.

If you win, I allow this thread to die.

If I win, you vote for OBAMA. 13 times each!!!!!!!


ANSWER ME!!!!!!!!

 
Spir-An

Neither of 'em's regularly around any more, dun!

 
dun61

Well

Lazlo and Iron Chef have not answered my challenge. I guess there is something they fear...

Like a Black President?!!?!



 
dun666

Did I call it?
Now
see if they try and pull a rfk.

I know Chef wants them to pull an RFK

 
Spir-An

It's spooky that it's the anniversary around now isn't it. 40 years.

 
Lazlo

Dun,

I've watched Michael Clayton and it is an excellent film. Not sure of the relevance here.
Please explain.

 
Mikman

Do you think he still remembers?

 
Lazlo

Probably not.

Speaking of remembering...

Is Charles still a dick?

 
dezoe

Laz! Good to see you again old friend. This thread brings back memories. You should come play some games or even just hop online for a chat sometime.

 
dun61

Hello, I am back. Dez, miss ya buddy

 
Spir-An

LOL. :) Spent the last couple of hours re-reading this thread and watching Chopper videos. Fond memories. :) I can't believe Emiel is still keeping this place going.

 
Sudz

You are missed, Spir

 
Spir-An

Who by Sudz? I was never very good at playing the game. I enjoyed making maps for a while, one or two of them were good, most of them were never popular. I hoped the Map Group would turn into something but it all got bogged down.

 
afw2

on the contrary, without the map group, I wouldn't have been so hooked. Your efforts were inspiring the community. Thank you Spir.

 
Spir-An

Well you're welcome afw2. :)

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